AP Royal Oak 5402 vs. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712
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AP Royal Oak 5402 vs. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712

By amanico · Jun 15, 2019 · 25 replies
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amanico shares a compelling comparison between two titans of integrated bracelet sports watches: the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 5402 and the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712. This post offers a rare glimpse into a collector's decision-making process when choosing between these iconic references, particularly as amanico decided to part with the 5712 to acquire a Patek Philippe 5070G. His personal experience provides valuable insights for collectors navigating similar choices.

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This was the time I had both of them, before I let the Patek 5712 go to fund my Patek 5070G. 



Ok, it would have been better to compare the 5402 with a 5711... But still, you get the idea... 

Best,

Nicolas

About the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Jumbo Ref. 5402

The Royal Oak reference 5402 is recognized as the original iteration of the model, introduced in 1972. This reference established the design language that would define the Royal Oak collection, characterized by its integrated bracelet and octagonal bezel secured by visible screws. It was initially presented as a luxury sport watch, distinguishing itself through its material and finishing in a period dominated by more traditional dress watch aesthetics. The 5402 was produced in various series, with the A-series being the earliest and most sought after by collectors.

The watch features a 39mm stainless steel case, often referred to as the "Jumbo" size, which was considered substantial for its era. It houses the self-winding Caliber 2121, a thin movement derived from Jaeger-LeCoultre's Caliber 920, known for its full-rotor design. The movement provides a power reserve of approximately 40 hours. The crystal protecting the dial is acrylic, and the watch offers a water resistance of 50 meters, suitable for general wear.

For collectors, the reference 5402 holds significance as the foundational model of a major watch series. Its various production series (A, B, C, D) present nuances in dial text and case back engravings that are closely examined. The integrated steel bracelet is an integral part of its design, contributing to its distinct profile. The blue dial, often with a "tapisserie" pattern, is a hallmark of this early reference, though other dial variations exist.

Specifications

Caliber
2121
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
39 mm
Dial
Blue
Water Resist.
50m
Crystal
Acrylic

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Pour le Mérite
Jun 15, 2019

Royal Oak for simplicity and Nautilus for something more busy. Great pair!

RA
Rapwatch
Jun 15, 2019

the 5711 has a 3 hand stack and it ruins the aesthetic of the shallow dial depth (cf. 3700). The jumbo is the clear winner in this regard today. the 3712 and the 5712 are the Nautilus to get. Do you regret letting her go? Rapwatch

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Watcholic_id
Jun 15, 2019

They share the same spirit from Genta. Absolutely brilliant!

MO
Mostel
Jun 15, 2019

Prefer it in every way, esp the movement and bracelet--no comparison, Patek bracelet is so 'cheap' feeling, and comparing the movement finish and overall appearance is simply one-sided.

PA
patrick_y
Jun 15, 2019

Then again, you are full of surprises!

れい
れい
Jun 18, 2019

If one had only 2, these could be them although most people would feel 'naked' without a Rolex but I'd go for 5711 or 5980 and 15202 (modern versions)

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