Ferdinand Berthoud FB 2RE: Dual Constant Force & Collector Perspectives
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Ferdinand Berthoud FB 2RE: Dual Constant Force & Collector Perspectives

By jleno · Aug 18, 2020 · 29 replies
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Jleno introduces the Ferdinand Berthoud FB 2RE, a new model that sparked significant discussion among collectors. His initial assessment highlights the watch's unique dual constant force mechanisms—a fusee and chain paired with a remontoire—and its traditional round case, while also questioning its differentiation within the existing FB collection. This piece delves into the community's varied perspectives on its technical merits, design choices, and market positioning.

FB just released this new model. A more traditional round case shape, but still the same size as the previous models at 44mm wide and 14mm thick. The dial is enamel. Something very odd, there are two constant force devices here, a fusee and chain paired with a remontoire. According to Monochrome, the remontoire helps clean up some remaining small variations in the torque after the fusee and chain does most of the job. The movement and finishing look amazing as expected. The price is still ~$200K.

I think it's an interesting offering, but I'm quite surprised that it's not more differentiated from the rest of the FB collection considering the new case and movement. Similar price, case size, and complication level with the same fusee and chain system from before. If I was going to go with a FB, I'd still choose the 1L or 1R over this once since I love the scientific instrument vibe those ones both have, and the original tourbillon movement looks a little better IMO. Regardless, a very beautiful and interesting new offering from FB!






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India Whiskey Charlie
Aug 18, 2020

I am more attracted to the black dial but that's a gorgeous back too. 👍

AL
als1678
Aug 18, 2020

I have to read more but this looks like a simple remontoire. Would have been a great opportunity to remove the tourbillion and move to a more reasonable price level.

JL
jleno
Aug 18, 2020

I think they should have at least removed the fusee+chain and sized down the case drastically, then price somewhere between 50k-100k depending on what's inside.

AL
als1678
Aug 18, 2020

Two torque stabilizing solutions in one watch. Does it make sense? I am not sure. The fusee helps increase power reserve because you can utilize the initial supply. Like managing the surge in wind power. With modern springs nothing much going on in the middle. And when energy is low the remontoire gives up. As Journe calibers clearly demonstrates. Or indicated by the low power reserve of many other remontoire watches. But regardless, you are absolutely right that it is a missed opportunity.

MD
mdg
Aug 18, 2020

...cases, hands, movements... And I might be able to afford one, but PLEASE make them smaller. I could pull off a big watch but I don't want to. 40mm or less and 12mm or less please, then we can talk : )

MD
mdg
Aug 18, 2020

..I might be able to swing 'A' FB, but probably not this one.

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