
Baron - Mr Red shares his philosophy on collecting vintage Rolex Submariners, presenting his curated 'theme' that balances depth with a focused selection. He delves into the historical significance and unique characteristics of key references like the 6200, 5508, and 5512, inviting a rich discussion on what constitutes a complete Submariner collection.
A “theme”. It is something that is mentioned on these forums so frequently. I have a good friend from Sweden who takes his themes very seriously. Not only does a theme often imply getting every version of a particular reference, it also means getting the documentation, boxes and as much associated paraphernalia as possible. Yet, I have often considered a theme complete with just one version of a watch. Then, take a look at Nicolas’s fantastic Fifty Fathom collection, or indeed Bill’s stunning array of Submariners. The depth of the theme is immense and the necessary room to complete such themes needs to be large.
But make no mistake, themes can make collecting great fun and can add some real spice to how one views a collection. With that in mind, I am going to touch on my own theme on Submariners. As a collector of vintage Rolex, my collection could not be complete without a Submariner. Yet, the range of Subs available is so great and so wide that it would be almost impossible to cover all bases. So, I had to make a decision on how I could complete my theme of Submariners without having to build a collection of 20 or more Submariners! I believe i have done so with a much smaller number. For me, it completes my theme and has covered a wide range of angles.
So....where to start? Lets go chronologically....6200


Nicolas, Marcello and I got into an interesting debate about which watch qualifies as the VERY first Submariner. Its open for debate, I think, depending on how one defines “first”. First to be sold officially? First to be manufactured as a Submariner? First to be catalog’d? One thing that we do know for certain is that the very first Submariner Big Crown was the 6200. For me, to have a small but focused collection of Subs, the 6200 Big Crown is an integral component.
Launched in 1953/4, and in production for just one year, the 6200 carries the 3-6-9 Explorer dial, a lollipop hand.... and of course a large winding crown. And of course, a gilt dial. The watch also carries immense personality. Only by having it on the wrist can one sense the intensity of the watch and feel the history that it created. Rolex has become the most famous tool watch in the world. Much of that subsequent fame came on the back of these early diving watches. That may sound an extravagant thing to say, but i think it is reasonable.
Of course, if one has a 6200 Big Crown, it makes sense to partner such a watch with a small crown. The 5508 was produced from 1957 to 1961. My version has a 58iii stamped in its case-back. It carries a "Swiss" only exclam mark, which is often seen in 5508s as early as 58 and through to 61. What does the exclam mean? LoL. That is a widely debated issue and one that I will pursue in a subsequent thread. What I will say is that my 5508 has radium on the dial and has not been transitioned to tritium, despite the exclam....more to come on that. And of course, it is gilt.


The 5508 is a very different watch to the 6200. A totally different character. Whereas the 6200 is presidential, the 5508 is very much under-the-radar. It has charm, discretion and not inconsiderable style. It combines sportiness with elegance well. The 5508 and 6200....made within 5 years of each other. Both Submariners, but so different from each other. To complete a Sub theme in just four watches, I needed both
to be included.
The next watch in my gang of four is the 5512. One could almost make a theme of collecting just 5512s as there are so many permutations. My particular favourite is the 2 line gilt. It similarly carries the exclam mark, and unlike the 5508 has tritium on the lume. The 5512 was the first reference to carry protected crown guards. To my mind, it is “the” iconic Rolex look. It has its place in Rolex history courtesy of the crown guards. The first 5512 was launched in 1959, so just after my 5508 was made. The 5512 was produced for a number of years in various formats, but the early versions carried the gilt dial, and that was also a major factor driving me to this model. Gilt Subs just have that something extra. The 6200, 5508 and 5512 in my collection are all gilts. So that leaves me looking for a matt dial for the final member of my gang of 4.


So where to complete the theme? My choice was actually one of my first Sub purchases. The 1680 Red Sub is special for a number of reasons. One obvious one is that it carries red writing on the dial. Not all 1680s do that. My version is a Mk2 dial. But of course, what really sold me on keeping the watch was my growing understanding of the original history of the watch. I have reviewed this watch before - The Ricciardi Red, a watch having the retailer mark of the Argentinian retailer “Ricciardi”. I will be frank, when the dealer showed me the markings, I was very dubious, but with the research that followed, I have come to realise how special the retailer was and how unusual having the watch is. It carries a matt dial, making it different to the other Subs in my collection and of course the cyclops. The 1680 was first launched in 1966 through to 1980. It was also the first Sub to carry a date function.

Are there any holes in this theme? Well, it might make sense to have a 5517 in there or maybe a 5513 Maxi....these are all possibilities. But to be honest, I look at my four and there is not one of them that i would replace with either a 5517 or a 5513. I don’t feel any holes in this Sub-theme. It is a great feeling to look at a theme and be satisfied with how it has worked out. A sense of completion.
But to be honest, a sense of completion about a theme is “totally” within our own control. We are our own taskmasters in this sense. A theme can be complete with just one watch, with four, with twenty....or indeed with none! That is the beauty and horror with watch-collecting themes.
This is how I have viewed creating my own Sub theme. I am curious what others think.....would you consider I have missed something critical or perhaps that one reference is not necessary? How would you construct a theme? I am curious as I am sure plenty of people go through the thinking around the methodology of collecting. I know i do!! Could one have just one of these and consider it a completed theme? Which one?

The Rolex Submariner reference 1680 is notable as the first Submariner model to feature a date complication, marking a significant evolution for the line. Introduced in the late 1960s, it bridged the gap between the earlier no-date Submariners and later iterations, offering enhanced functionality while retaining the robust characteristics of the professional tool watch. This reference is distinguished by its single cyclops date magnifier on the crystal, a feature that would become a hallmark of many subsequent Rolex models.
This reference typically features a 40mm steel case, housing the self-winding Caliber 1575 movement. The movement provides a power reserve of approximately 48 hours. The crystal is acrylic, commonly referred to as Plexiglas, contributing to its vintage aesthetic. Water resistance for the 1680 is rated at 200 meters, consistent with its design as a reliable underwater instrument.
For collectors, the reference 1680 is highly sought after, particularly early examples with "Red Submariner" dials where the word "Submariner" is printed in red. These variants represent a distinct period in Rolex's production history and are prized for their rarity and aesthetic appeal. The 1680 appeals to those who appreciate the blend of historical significance, functional design, and the tangible qualities of vintage Rolex manufacturing.
Firstly a fantastic post with some very very nice watches. My to my taste I have to admit ;) You indeed have covered your submariner bases very well. Your collection includes a very important member of the group. My respect for you to have found such a nice 6200! If you ever want to let it go please let me know (although my chances of owning this watch are increasing - see my post to be posted soon). You have a fine three submariners! I am not sure your last one fits in so well with the other th
.....it is because it is non-gilt that it NEEDS to be there to fit the place of a non-gilt Sub. If i went 4 gilts, I would miss that Red Sub non-gilt...so to my mind it is not an odd choice at all. And of course, there is also a rarity issue running through the 4...with the Ricciardi probably rarer than all but the 6200. 6200....well there are maybe 30-40 around and to varying states of condition. Would I let my one go? Lets put it this way, your request puts you in a queue....quite a long queue
Baron, Ofcourse I am going to like your collection. Its first class. Not only will 99% of the worlds population never own such a collection because of the monetary value, but much more importantly they will not own it because it takes much passion and knowledge to build something like that up. Thats what I like about your collection. You can tell its thought through. A 5508? Not on the list of most collectors but for me a MUST have in a sub collection! A 5512 PCG, exclaimation mark- surely only
Don't dream too much on the 6200. I am first on the list, and Joe is not Angelo... ;) Best, Nicolas.
.....perhaps nobody should dream....could become a nightmare
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