Amanico invites the community to share their passion for Rolex and Tudor Submariners without crown guards, showcasing several exquisite examples from his own collection and those he's encountered. His post highlights the distinct aesthetic and historical significance of these early Submariner references, from the Rolex 5508 and 6200 to the Tudor 7924 and 7922. This thread serves as a vibrant visual celebration and discussion point for collectors who appreciate the pure, unadorned lines of these vintage dive watches.
Now, it is up to you, guys... No Crown Guards you own, or you are dreaming about!
Best,
NicolasI have only two:
This 5508, with an incorrect insert, but things will be solved at the end of this year.
And the Tudor 7924:
Now, some which I saw, in these last years...
Joe's 5508, one of the most beautiful:
One I saw in So Cal, with a cool caramel dial:
A very cool 7924:
Another 7924 with a nice Brown dial:
A 7924 Argentinian Army ( ARA ) which I try to buy:
And another project I have, this delicious 7922:
Aaah, and last but not least... My absolute dream, Rolex 6200:
Now, it is up to you, guys... No Crown Guards you own, or you are dreaming about!
Best,
Nicolas
This message has been edited by amanico on 2014-11-16 03:15:54 This message has been edited by Baron on 2014-11-16 06:53:46
About the Rolex Submariner Ref. 5508
The Rolex Submariner reference 5508 represents the No Date series within the Submariner model range. Produced from 1958 to 1962, this reference is distinguished by its black dial that has developed spider patina over time.
The 5508 features a 37mm stainless steel case fitted with an acrylic crystal and rotating bezel. Water resistance is rated to 200 meters. The automatic Cal. 1530 movement provides 42-48 hours of power reserve. The watch is paired with a steel bracelet.
This reference appeals to collectors focused on vintage Submariner variants from the late 1950s and early 1960s production period. The spider patina dial condition represents a specific aging characteristic that develops over decades. Within the No Date Submariner lineup, the 5508 occupies the position of a four-year production run reference with the Cal. 1530 movement.
Specifications
Caliber
Cal. 1530
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
37 mm
Dial
Black with spider patina
Water Resist.
200m
Crystal
Acrylic
About the Rolex Submariner Ref. 6200
Rolex Submariner Reference 6200
The Rolex Submariner reference 6200 represents an early iteration within the Submariner No Date series. Produced during 1954-1955, this reference features a 37mm case size and incorporates the essential diving watch elements of a rotating unidirectional bezel and 200-meter water resistance. The black dial configuration provides the foundational aesthetic that would characterize the series.
The 37mm stainless steel case houses the automatic caliber A.260 movement, offering a 42-hour power reserve. An acrylic crystal protects the black dial, while the rotating unidirectional bezel provides the timing functionality. The watch is completed with a steel bracelet, maintaining material consistency throughout the construction.
This reference appeals to collectors focused on early Submariner iterations and those interested in the technical specifications of 1950s Rolex production. The brief production window of 1954-1955 and the specific caliber A.260 movement distinguish this reference within the broader Submariner catalog. The 37mm case size and acrylic crystal reflect the manufacturing standards of the mid-1950s period.
Specifications
Caliber
A.260
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
37 mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
200m
Crystal
Acrylic
About the Rolex Submariner Ref. 7924
The Submariner reference 7924 is a notable early iteration of the model, recognized for its specific design elements that differentiate it from other references within the Submariner lineage. It represents a particular period in the model's development, characterized by a focus on robust construction and legibility. This reference is often sought by collectors interested in the evolution of the Submariner series and its foundational designs. Its production run was relatively brief, contributing to its distinct position.
This reference typically features a stainless steel case, often distinguished by its larger crown compared to some contemporary models. The movement housed within is an automatic caliber, designed for reliability and consistent timekeeping. The crystal protecting the dial is generally acrylic, consistent with watches of its era, offering a warm aesthetic and shatter resistance. The case dimensions are characteristic of early sport watches, providing a substantial presence on the wrist.
For collectors, the 7924 holds significance as a transitional reference, bridging earlier designs with later, more standardized Submariner aesthetics. Its specific crown size and dial configurations are points of interest, allowing for detailed study of production variations. The appeal lies in its historical context and the opportunity to acquire a piece from a formative period of the Submariner's development, appealing to those who value originality and historical accuracy in their collections.
Specifications
Caliber
Cal. 390
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
38mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
200m
Crystal
Acrylic
About the Rolex Tudor Submariner Ref. 7922
The Tudor Submariner reference 7922 represents an early iteration of the brand's dive watch, distinguished by its lack of crown guards and a prominent "Big Crown" design. This reference was part of the initial offerings that established Tudor's presence in the professional dive watch segment, sharing design cues with its Rolex counterparts while being positioned as a more accessible alternative. It predates the later, more widely recognized "Snowflake" dial variants, offering a distinct aesthetic that appeals to collectors interested in the foundational models of the Tudor Submariner line.
This reference typically features a stainless steel case, housing an automatic movement. The case design emphasizes functionality, with a rotating bezel for dive timing. The crystal is characteristic of dive watches from its era, designed for durability and legibility underwater. The movement provides reliable timekeeping, contributing to the watch's utility as a tool watch.
For collectors, the 7922 is significant as one of the earliest Tudor Submariners, particularly noted for its non-crown guard case and large winding crown. Its historical context within the development of Tudor's dive watches makes it a key reference for understanding the evolution of the model line. Variants within this reference may include minor dial or hand differences, which are often points of interest for dedicated enthusiasts.
Specifications
Caliber
Cal. 390
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
37 mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
100m
Crystal
Plexiglass
Key Points from the Discussion
The Rolex Submariner 6536 from 1955 is a rare 'small crown' model, produced for a short period, notable for being the first Rolex to feature a red depth rating and having a case size between the 6536/1 and 'big crown' models.
Early Rolex Submariner models like the 6205 and 6536-1 are highly sought after for their elegant yet sporty aesthetic, with collectors often prioritizing correct bezel inserts and the 'golden' gilt hands found in these early references.
The 'no crown guard' Rolex Submariners, particularly the 5508, are appreciated for their glossy gilt dials and 'Big Logo' bracelets, despite lacking the 'power' of their 'big crown' counterparts.
A collector recounts an extraordinary story of acquiring a 1961 Rolex 5508 as a gift, emphasizing the personal connections and unique narratives often associated with vintage watch collecting.
The Tudor 7922 is noted for its small crown, a feature that sparks particular curiosity and admiration among collectors.
The Rolex 5508 from 1959 is highlighted for its rare 'exclamation dot' dial, two lines in white text, and a nearly flawless mirror finish, showcasing the intricate details valued in vintage pieces.
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The Discussion
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dr.kol
Nov 16, 2014
I was just offered a 5508 with papers @ € 40k meaning that I'll focus on a bit more realistic watches and keep dreaming. This Joe's watch looks like a dream! Best, Kari
AM
amanico
Nov 16, 2014
Rarely seen.... Best, Nicolas
DR
dr.kol
Nov 16, 2014
5508 It's easy to say "no" to such a watch with box & papers. Best, Kari
AM
amanico
Nov 16, 2014
This way, you will have, for sure, one of the first Sub.... ;) Best, Nicolas
DR
dr.kol
Nov 16, 2014
I do not own even one tool. Should I start from Geiger Counter? Best, Kari
BA
Baron - Mr Red
Nov 16, 2014
.....and in a fantastic condition.....calling Edmond....post please!
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