Identifying future classic Rolex from the 1990-2018 era - Part 5: Rolex Submariner 14060M - The "LGF" dial

Oct 01, 2018,10:15 AM
 



This is Part 5 of a series of articles aimed at identifying future classics from the 1990-2018 modern era. This month will focus on one of the "old school" modern Submariners - the 14060M

Every now and then Rolex produce a truly cool watch. Usually it is one that has strong overtures from its history. Usually it is a GMT or a Submariner as those represent what  collectors perceive as the heart of Rolex. When Rolex produce such a watch, it usually has a very long production run and is very popular. Take the Submariner 5512 and 5513. The 5512 was introduced in 1958 and was produced until 1978. The 5513 saw a production run from 1962 through to 1989. Even for Rolex, this represents a long production run. Yet, these two references represent what, to many, is the very essence of the Submariner icon.  Despite the long production run, various quirks and anomalies on the dial of these two references have seen some variations become extraordinarily rare and sought after. Auction prices have gone through the roof for some of these variations.

The Submariner 14060 was the successor to the 5512/5513 and many people describe it as “the last of the best” as the reference retained the sleek crown guards and narrow lugs of its vintage predecessors. It has that vintage feel to it but at the same time is a thoroughly modern watch. The 14060 Submariner was introduced in 1990 until 2002 and the 14060M from 2002 until 2012. Inside the 14060M beats the calibre 3130, featuring a full balance bridge (upgrading from the previous balance cock), a Breguet overcoil on the hairspring as well as a larger balance wheel.

The no-date dial gives a very strong symmetry to the watch, combined with a vintage feel and a totally modern robust movement to make it a very desirable watch indeed. With drilled hole lugs (the last Submariner to have them), the watch is easily transformed with a leather strap or Nato, though I have to say I think it works well with the original bracelet. The 14060M has a feel to it that very few modern Subs have. I would say it is a perfect example of the transition between vintage and modern.

Now, 2002-2012 represents a long period of production for the 14060M, but this production run saw a number of evolutions. The most important of these concerns the Chronometer certification that took place in 2007. Prior to this, the dial was a simple two-liner without the chronometer certification. From 2007 onwards, however, the dial carried the chronometer certification and was differentiated by a 4-liner text on the dial. Now, that makes the 4-liner produced for just 5 years and much rarer for Rolex. Most production runs exceed that. But 5 years still allows for a lot of production given how popular Rolex Submariners are.

The next evolution, however, is not something that is well-known. If one looks at the 2-liner dial (ie before certification), one can see a certain type of script being used. In particular, the F used in 1000 ft has a particularly long tail to it. It is a Long F.

Now, if we take an example of a 4-liner dial from later in production, one can see that a different type of script has been used by Rolex for the post-chronometer period. It is a short F.

However, during the year of transition from 2-liner to 4-liner (2007/8), and only during that first year of production of the 4-liner, some of the Long F script dials were used on the 4-liners. When I say some, I mean a very small number. It is not unique, as I have seen maybe 5 or 6 examples. But there is a rare dial anomaly that can be seen on the very first 14060M 4-liner dials. 4-liner with a Long F.

To be honest, I love the Long F.  The short F is fine, but that Long F is very good. It is a Long Good F. It is also a crucial differentiator that sets it apart from other 14060M. I also love the 14060M. It is such a pure Submariner that carries strong vintage DNA.

A brief look at Chrono24 will show about 300 Submariner 14060 for sale globally. Around half of these are 2-liner (pre-2008) watches and the other half are 4-liner (post-2007) chronometer watches. Within the 4-liner sample, I can see just one or two Long Good F examples. That makes it a very rare watch indeed. The “last of the best” it may be. But with this very rare dial configuration, it may be one of the rarest of the best. Possibly one of the rarest dial variations of a modern Submariner.

The Long Good F.  It reminds me very much of the classic film “The Long Good Friday,” starring Bob Hoskins. One of the best "old school" British gangster movies of all time. I think nicknaming this watch The LGF or the “Bob Hoskins” seems fitting.



Previous posts on future classics

Part 1: The Kermit    www.watchprosite.com /

Part 2: The Fat Lady   www.watchprosite.com /

Part 3: The "Swiss" only effect     www.watchprosite.com /

Part 4: The Stick dial    www.watchprosite.com /




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Great post, Joe.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-10:56
Very interesting. This one is truly the most amazing of those you have written about. Really cool watch and story it tells. Keep them coming, I love reading these. I consider it educational.

with Rolex......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-04:06
......its the detail, right? But 14060 is such a cool Submariner too

Hard to say.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-08:08
I would guess that its more about bending rules than deliberate action.

thanks for the great posts Baron !

 
 By: mahesh : October 1st, 2018-12:17
i enjoy reading & it is interesting to learn the details of each Rolex versions.... great material for new comers !! kudos !!! Best, mahesh.,

It's the damnedest thing...

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-12:32
A few months ago I spoke with a very knowledgeable collector and he may, intentionally or not, have put me on the track of a, as you call them, LGF. And in all honesty I have to point out out that I have always stated that the Submariner is the most borin...  

Wear it! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2018-12:44

Nice. Wear. [nt]

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-12:51

Lend it to Mr. Z, he will scratch it in no time

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:54
after that you can wear it with total peace of mind

He will probably manage to break the bracelet.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-13:10
Or at least get two decades of stretch in it within a day...

Hey!!! I guess you are right.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-21:37
Well, I always said I’m talented for 2 things. This being one, the other we shall not discuss here...

After giving it some thought....

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-23:22
....Rolex might be the only brand who can endure the stress levels you lay upon straps/bracelets. You haven’t demolished a Rolex yet have you?

Operative word is yet.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 2nd, 2018-01:56
Not enough wrist time. But I did scratch a bracelet without even wearing the watch. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

Wear it...with stickers 😬 and congratulations

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : October 1st, 2018-13:41
No message body

Congrats! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-01:29
A future classic for sure! Best Blomman

Hmm, intriguing

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:32
if I like a modern Rolex then a 14060 is probably in the top spot and with that little "extra" I could be very tempted. I like the challenge of "rare"

Superb post dear Joe!! That´s something I haven´t read about before! A very interesting read about one of my favorite "modern" references. Regret to say...

 
 By: Subexplorer : October 1st, 2018-13:36
... that my own 14060M has not the long F but I love my watch anyway. It has accompanied me in some great dives and in many trips, as well as on my wrist very oftten. Very nice to know a bit more about this beautiful reference!! Thank you so much my dear ... 

Great post Joe, thank you!

 
 By: Walter2 : October 1st, 2018-16:19
I like to talk a little bit more about the TWO LINER 14060M without Chronometer Certification, but the Chronmeter movement 3130. First of all we find here the same, what we can find with the predecessor 5513 and 5512. Some Two Liners 5513 wear the movemen...  

Thanks Joe [nt]

 
 By: watch-guy.com : October 1st, 2018-17:06

harder than you think as Chrono24 has now changed their image capture

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:21
ability to use examples is now harder as the quality on screenshots does not translate. The example at the top has the long F. If you go on Chronoi 24 and search for 14060M from 2010 (for example), than that will have a short F example.....there are plent... 

Excellent scholarship

 
 By: descartes1 : October 1st, 2018-18:09
What a great read. Thanks!

one day....yes [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:57

Hi Horology.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-02:50
1st November...i will do Part 6 on the 168000!

so.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-04:13
whattyagonnado

Best one so far!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-01:33
Thank you, Baron for another insightful post! Must say that form all the once you have highlighted in this series, this LGF is my favourite! Cool, classic, vintage feel with a small but distinctive quirk! As mentioned, "the last of the best"! Thank you. B... 

I have three favourites......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-01:54
the Kermit, the 14060 Swiss only and the 14060M LGF.

Kermit is cool but I am not sure...

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-10:40
I would take that one over a 14060 Swiss only... Best Blomman

Dear Mr Baron Red

 
 By: Horology75 : October 2nd, 2018-13:05
Could you pls help me identify my watch. It’s with inside writing M series Submariner . Need your help to learn more about it . Long F or which one is this .. ...  

The F is a short f

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 3rd, 2018-04:09
(doesn’t stick out the line)

Good to know, thanks.

 
 By: VMM : October 2nd, 2018-14:05
14060M and 14270 were my favorite references. I deeply regret not buying the 14060 before it became what it is now, I can't stand the wide lugs. Vte

totally agree ... for me too [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-02:48

Me too..... [nt]

 
 By: Miranda : October 4th, 2018-15:20

Thanks for sharing (and for composing). The history / evolution of this Sub was not something I had paid attention to.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : October 12th, 2018-07:18
A few of your other write-ups on this theme are more familiar to me. Looking forward to more in this series.

I am starting to fear his write ups!

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-08:23
The cost of reading is getting more expensive with every new edition...

You are welcome [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 12th, 2018-08:26

This was the last one right?

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-08:38
🙌🏻

Almost [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 12th, 2018-08:58

😅 [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-09:02

Haha. Some very strong arguements for why one might part with some $$$.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : October 12th, 2018-14:53
I wonder how many have been pushed over the edge as a result of this series?

"pushed over the edge" or.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 13th, 2018-02:00
discovered the promised land?

Joe,That is a fantastic read

 
 By: beejo : October 12th, 2018-11:18
And your attention to details is second to for more but the list is getting longer every post. Best, Ahmed

I was just able to hunt one down...

 
 By: BMR : November 27th, 2018-13:04
And I pulled the trigger! Should have it by next week. Joe, this report was incredible and poisonous at the same time. I was bitten by the bug. I’ve wanted a no-date model for some time. I just didn’t know which one. After reading this post, I knew which ...