The Fappening Latin American Rhapsody II

The Fappening
(  Fuerza Aerea Peru )
An insight into funky daytonas 
Another tale from Latin America.
In Buenos Aires I had the pleasure  thanks to a friend  to meet and dine with Señor  T. ( I will not disclose his full name )  the undisputed biggest watch and jewelry  dealer in the early nineteen eighties  until early two thousands Latin America . 

 He is known for being very reserved and only would attend to an inner circle. In the early two thousands I already heard of his name and his buying power he would turn around one million dollars a month In watches jewelry and dollars with out a blink of an eye .

Pretty straight up guy nothing fancy in his late sixties red hair blue eyes  beer belly  sporting just a polo shirt and jeans . 

He retired from dealing watches and jewelry in two thousand and five bought a twelve floors hotel in the Buenos Aires Jewelry district and keeps a floor for himself to stay over and hold Office mid week where he is a major  gold dealer . 

I asked him about some anecdotes about the early days and rare watch  finds. He shared some stories which left me astounded and gives great insight about the actual discussion we have about vintage daytonas. 

From the early eighties to the early two thousands he and others would travel to Peru and buy up the NOS or unused Rolex daytonas laying in the FAP deposits directly from the corrupt Peruvian armed forces, according to him a rough estimate around a couple of thousand daytonas in 20 years . Prices in the 80s where 300 dollars in the late nineties around 800 -1000 dollar.

Their mayor clients where Italian dealers from Torino Italy  and the Italians in the early period would Exchange one gold stainless steel datejust for every two daytonas , the Rolex datejust where very in demand Argentina in that period and  a profitable bussines.

Next he told me some very interesting details which will explain a lot . 

With an expression of disgust he said the Peruvian Armed Forces did not have a caseback tool to open the watches up to inspect the movements so sometimes they would file open the casebacks thus destroying them. And back in Argentina  they would look for other casebacks from other Rolex models to fit and modify them. 

The Italians dealers did not want the the F.A.P inscription in the case backs because they could not sell them . So they all polished them off in Argentina . Later I asked a friend a watch maker , he confirmed he got tired of polishing of the F.A.P. Inscriptions of hundreds of daytonas and also added another detail that they would service the movements in batches and most of the times did not put them back in the original case thus causing a mix up in movement -and case serial numbers. 

 Most of the daytonas being NOS and with polished casebacks they need some proof of authenticity so they also would provide the Italians occasionally  with papers and add ones .

Mind you the Italian dealers involved are vintage Rolex Pioneers dealers who wrote books we still read today. 

Another anecdote he told me was about a white gold Daytona from the FAP(polished caseback and all )  he couriered it off to Italy to a client in the nineteen eighties but the Italian customs would not release it claiming It was a fake. He wired money to pay the fine and a year later he picked it up , he had it authentified by Rolex Torino then Rolex Milan and when the client was still not convinced he took it to Rolex Geneva who authentified it as genuine . When he offered it again to the Italian client he did not want to buy it anymore saying daytonas prices had dropped in the last year.

Finally asking him his opinion on Italian dealers with a wink he says the best fake case makers in the world come from Bologna. 

After enjoying a fine dinner with expensive wines he suggest we share the ice cream dessert among the three of us because ten dollar for per ice cream is to expensive when the 300 dollar bill came paid 300 dollar and a 100 dollar tip without blinking his eyes.

So if you ever wondered why Rolex is so mysterious and so carefully with extracts on Rolex daytonas consider this , there casebacks where replaced , or polished or are missing a few mm, their movements got mixed up in the wrong cases and their biggest evangelist who frontend important auctions and who wrote books where the same dealers who shamelessly sold modified daytonas with fake papers. I don't think Rolex want anything to do with them .

Enjoy your 300 dollar F.A.P.

Nast.(americano ) 


amanico November 3rd, 2018-14:55
Thanks for this very interesting testimony. I heard approximatively the same things. Yes, very interesting!  
americano November 3rd, 2018-15:02
Thx Nico I am probably dead tommorow.
amanico November 3rd, 2018-15:06
Some dealers will hate you. ;)  
americano November 3rd, 2018-15:14
If the problem has no solution then there is no problem I was really amazed how straight up normal Guy señor T is. I lended his hotel room on his floor to stay over nothing of luxury Just two beds old television a water cooker for coffee. He was not even so passionete about watches . Just a second hand cars sa... 
mpg13 November 3rd, 2018-15:24
Great story. Yesterday's scoundrel is today's leader. Oh wait, that sounds familiar...
Bill November 3rd, 2018-15:35
I see another Hollywood script. I need to come with Nico for a meal with you and co. Wink wink.  No message body
amanico November 3rd, 2018-16:00
He he...  
reintitan November 4th, 2018-00:15
Yep. Vintage Rolex is a minefield When Big Money is involved suddenly "rare" references start popping out of the woodwork.
templetowers November 4th, 2018-00:43
I really enjoy your stories, I find them most insightful - thank you for sharing. Best Will  
americano November 4th, 2018-01:44
Thank you !  

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