H. Moser Perpetual 1 vs. Lange 1 Lumen Trade
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H. Moser Perpetual 1 vs. Lange 1 Lumen Trade

By Alex83 · Mar 23, 2014 · 18 replies
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Alex83 presents a compelling dilemma, asking the community to weigh in on a potential trade: his H. Moser Perpetual 1 for an A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 Lumen. This discussion delves into the nuanced considerations collectors face, balancing aesthetic appeal, market value, and the emotional connection to a timepiece. Alex83's post highlights the 'what's-next syndrome' common among enthusiasts and the complex factors influencing high-value watch decisions.

Hello Purist brothers, Today I come with an unusual comparison, more than unusual some will consider this a mis-placed comparison because both pieces have very little in common, but still I am very interested in knowing the opinion of the Purist family because this is a choice that I am facing. I have recently acquired an H.Moser Perpetual 1 in platinum and anthracite dial; my purchase was made more with the head than with the heart as I got offered a very good deal through a shop that for some reason was de-stocking the piece, so all in I was able to put my hands on it for about x% of its usual retail price -being about xx'000 USD. To be honest the re-sale value and possibilities of profit were very present in my head when buying it. Nevertheless, since then it has grown quite a lot on me, I think that the aesthetics is great and I believe that it is adding great value to my collection due to its specificities; I believe I have a special piece here with its flash calendar and simplest perpetual calendar ever! So what is the problem? well, as I am sure happens to many of you, I have the "what's-next syndrome". - when a piece strikes me I can spend months documenting, chatting and investigating about it, that "hunt" is -probably- one of the most intense and stomach-rooted moments in this hobby/passion; obviously there is also the profound and longer-lasting joy of wearing under your shirt a timepiece for which you know all the history and aspects, that is a more "equilibrated" satisfaction. - and then, it just starts with another piece, and most of the times I feel that the new one somehow escalates the previous one. My what's-next piece is the Lange Lumen; following the process mentioned above I have been chasing it for long now, even left it on the side for moments and finally came back to it. I am contemplating the possibility of trading-in the Moser for the Lange; I would probably need to add a bit of cash if I want a new Lumen, however for a nice mint I would be pretty square I think. However this is not an easy decision, as said I believe that the Moser is a special piece currently under-estimated by the market and I really think that the brand will grow an important notoriety in the years to come; I realise that I might one day regret not having kept it. On the other hand the Lange Lumen has to me a more appealing aestethic, and well..it's Lange! It is true that I own a couple of pieces already from this house, the holy Datograph (no comment needed) and a Grand Lange 1 with Champagne Dial (this one is actually my father's but as we both share our watches I consider it as gotten smile; but the Lumen is so special that I do not think it will be too much (when could that be with Lange??). What do you personnaly think? and in terms of "investment" do you see a clear difference between both evolutions? Cheers, Alejandro

























This message has been edited by small-luxury-world on 2014-03-23 13:10:12

About the De Bethune DB25 Ref. DB25

De Bethune DB25 Reference DB25

The DB25 represents De Bethune's entry in the 44.5mm manual-wind category, distinguished by its silver dial configuration within the DB25 series. This reference launched in 2006 and continues the brand's approach to contemporary haute horlogerie complications.

The 44.5mm case is crafted from 18k white gold with a fixed bezel and sapphire crystal. Water resistance extends to 30 meters. The manual-winding caliber DB2105 movement provides a substantial 120-hour power reserve. The watch features a leather strap attachment.

This reference appeals to collectors seeking De Bethune's technical approach to timekeeping in a precious metal case. The extended power reserve and manual-wind operation position it for enthusiasts who appreciate hands-on interaction with their timepieces. The 44.5mm sizing places it in contemporary proportions within the independent watchmaking segment.

Specifications

Caliber
DB2105
Case
18k White Gold
Diameter
44.5 mm
Dial
Silver
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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moc
Mar 23, 2014

Potential investment or not.....what's the point collecting if it's not for your own pleasure? Save up and buy a flat ,that's in the long run a better investment. Obviously some sort soft money consideration moves any purchase we make,but watch collecting should be the desire of owning something for yourself,despite the future value,but alas this is not contemplated in the watch world,and it seems to apply JUST in the watch world. Nobody cares how much money you lose with a new car,an expensive

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small-luxury-world
Mar 23, 2014

welcome at PuristSPro! Regarding discount, price and investment I will sent you a PM and had to do edit it. Back to your question: I would do it, but that is maybe just me and me taste. Also I am not crazy about perpetual calendar´s in general. Cheers, Oliver

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foversta
Mar 23, 2014

And my answer is YES! Why? Because I'm not a Perpetual Calendar guy. I find the Lange Lumen very breathtaking while the Moser is much more classic. You have to answer two questions: - do you think that there is no risk to be one day "bored" by the more daring and bold design of the Lumen? - what about the complication? There is no specific complication with the Lumen except the big date display while there is a PC with the Moser. Are you fascinated by this complication or not? but in my case, th

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tahoeblue
Mar 23, 2014

and there is no cleaner display of a perpetual calendar than the Moser. I am a big fan of perpetual calendars, and this complication is a must-have for me. But then there is Lange, and there is the Lange 1 Lumen. I do go back and forth in regard to the value of this watch relative to its high price. But I don't go back and forth in regard to the semi-transparent dial that Lange introduced first on the Zeitwerk Luminous and now on the L1 Lumen--I love this "complication." I would go for the Lange

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andrewluff
Mar 23, 2014

And as much as I like the Moser, the Lumen would be my choice. Cheers Andeew

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pplater
Mar 23, 2014

First up, welcome here Alejandro. Hopefully we will see a lot more of you around here in the future. With watches we are entitled to be schizophrenic. Looking into the future as a cold headed investor: the Lange ticks all the boxes. Looking into the watch box as a one-eyed Indie fan (leaving aside the personal definition of 'Indie'!): the Moser wins out. Good luck with that dilemma! Cheers, pplater.

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