Patek Philippe

is what our forum members want to read. Given your enjoyable journey and understanding of the dynamics between Patek and ADs, can you please provide suggestions on how Patek can better guide ADs to be more fair and create a win-win-win situation for all t... 

Correct that the members here want to read honest posts like mine. The lack of response speak volumes I’m afraid. However I will always be honest and not be worried about upsetting anyone else. To answer your question what can Patek do to improve the rela... 

TS and Patek do a lot - just alone keeping the rare handcrafts alive can’t be a high margin business and must lose money. Same with the amazing exhibitions that are FREE every other year. Remember to do all that including the upkeep of this amazing museum... 

That Patek do so much to give back to its collectors and clients and spend a vast amount of money keeping their Arts alive which is admirable and I am so pleased they do. However I can’t help but feel a bit let down and disappointed about who they sell wa... 

but what would you like them do? I am just honestly curious how your ideal process would be like? How can they possible choose a certain type of collector exclusively ? Or am I misunderstanding you ?

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Knowing you for many years even way back when I first started out- remember me and the I had my grail PPDRSD from Dr Ed and my you helped me contact your good friend Jed and helped me there too 😎. I loved your passion and that you never sought or bought a... 

Comments like that is what makes it all worth while. I do remember you so lovely to hear from you. I hope your journey has been enjoyable and still is. Dr Ed….. what a Gent he was also always had time for people and never wanted anything back. Do you stil... 

Mostly in a combination with (higher margin) jewellery. So looking to the future I would say, finally!

But I agree, bundle sales tend to go on as long as the other (in)direct commercial interests of the AD (selling jewellery and other trademarks than PP) remain.

...zeitwerk or datograph. i find that really funny since i bought my odysseus WG unworn brand-new for 12K euros under list:: )) i guess there will be argon awakening sooner or later for those companies.

satisfy our needs.

The RO company will be fine. Lange on the other hand is in for a rude awakening haha. I have no problem with brands asking their clients to buy sh1t items from their own brand, but patek letting Ad do their thing and blackmail clients into buying jeweller... 

report to Patek

I buy my Patek mostly from an AD and my AD never hinted to bundle or buy other brands to get a Patek. It's a good thing my taste spans across their model lines and I felt ecstatic receiving my 5270P just the same way I received my 5740. I can imagine my A... 

your AD does not request “bundling” of any sort !👍 Please create posts for your Pateks 😃

My AD doesn't explicitly tell me about the bundling but they probably won't call me for a sport Patek if I don't ever buy a less popular model.

by PP is usually based on economic considerations like location (they only want prime locations in the various cities), negotiations with chains like wempe, bucherer etc. on where to best position PP, concentration avoidance (does not apply to hongkong fo... 

put him in the penalty box.

But reading all the responses below it seems nothing is solved and there is no answer to the solution the market HOWEVER…is resolving itself. When the majority of the market wants a steel Patek the price gets overheated, as Greenspan puts it, irrational e... 

Patek should make their other watches (non aquanaut and nautilus) more desirable. I like the new modern Calatrava, but not at its price point. Make a calatrava I can submerge in water without ruining it (not necessarily a sports watch diver) and make the ... 

referring to in terms of being tempted at $25k ??

I was referring to the 6007 with its various colors. All I am saying is that the idea that a company has to force people to buy product they are not interested in just to get what they are interested in is absurd and reflects poorly on the company. I don’... 

This reference with colorful hands, markers and stitching is expanding the Calatrava line to become more stylish and sporty. I hear and understand about your concerns, and appreciate your comments. To me, assuming that only a small % of yearly production ... 

Thank you for help clearing doubts we all have. I’m sure you talked to the right people as the replies are along the same line I got. But I think the letter should have stated the “consequences” they will face if they don’t abide by Patek’s rule… and do i... 

my understanding is similar to you understanding. What other watch(es) did you get from Geneva this time ?

Of the mere mortals with Mr Stern ? Such as ADs closing down and collectors not having another new AD to purchase from after their AD gets shut down.

Patek is fully aware of this post and the replies/suggestions provided by our forum members. On this particular matter Cluess_Collector and you commented on, I specifically highlighted this issue with Patek, amongst other feedback. Hopefully the situation... 

But I was curious if cbb has any insights since she seems to have a close relationship with Mr Stern. If that’s something that can’t be shared publicly no problem.

I only know that Patek wants to be fair to everyone and is truly upset ad “add-on” sale

PP should really reign in the practices of their ADs. for example, a germain chain of ADs advertises currently available (non-sports) PP models on their webpage. when i called they told me that those models were really available (at least they don't lie t... 

calatrava, ellipse, WTs and/or perpetual calendar pieces ? If they offer you a watch that you want at retail, would you not buy from them ?

i don't live in the EC, so i am entitled to VAT refunds when i export pieces. i would not buy if i don't get the tax back (19%!).

be more expensive than where you live ?

German AD at retail price (without VAT refund) seems worthwhile. Naturally you as the consumer make your own decision.

in fact it is a bit like blackmail......if you insist on the tax return we won't sell to you (because then we cannot keep up the charade of pretending with PP to sell to local clients only......).

I believe you can do this at the airport when you are departing and not involve the AD. I did this a few years ago after buying an Omega in Zermatt… I did the paperwork in Geneva at the airport on my way home… got the refund a few weeks later (refund appl... 

which is to focus on its R&D, design and production while delegating distribution of their watches to their retailers (except for those application pieces). Nevertheless, Patek has constant communication with them to ensure their watches will go to th... 

members are also what Patek needs so that the allocation policies can be improved !💪

It's very popular with a ton of luxury brands now, but personally it makes things less fun for me and as a result I've pivoted spend away from any of the big brands. I still want a few PPs like a Worldtimer, but will just buy those used as they go for bel... 

it seems that all PP except naut/aqua go below retail.

very good values in the secondary market. Let us know when you get something you like !

see your wrist shots soon ! 😃