Less is more, people….
I think we all have individual pet-peeves in this hobby, one of mine is superfluous writing on the dial. Here’s a good example, RD felt the need to write WINDING SYSTEM right below the rotor. I thought for a while about why they did this, and I think the answer is a little embarrassing: I think they’re worried that a certain percentage of the potential buyers of this watch might not know it’s not battery powered, or think they have to manually wind it. Just have to 100% let them know it’s an automatic movement, with a really cool winding system 
It’s like if you got into your 6-speed Porsche and in bold caps on the top of the gear stick it said SHIFTING SYSTEM. I’m not really a fan - when it comes to dial text, I think less is almost always more.
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It’s like if you got into your 6-speed Porsche and in bold caps on the top of the gear stick it said SHIFTING SYSTEM. I’m not really a fan - when it comes to dial text, I think less is almost always more.Enter text
I agree with you. I don't understand excessive writing.
And "winding system" is just plain dumb.
Excessive writing on a dial or movement makes me not want to buy the watch.
Unless, that is, it's a Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified....just kidding. Not a fan of that either.
Maybe, just maybe
It's so that potential owners don't return the watch to be serviced thinking something is broken, they sure do know their client base well
Richemont is butchering the brand...
They could easily print money by bringing back the original Dubuis designs and quality. They could charge $$$ for it too. The pieces are all in demand second hand.
They should take a page from what LVMH is doing with Roth...really well executed.
You're talking about Richemont
the group that will do anything BUT the most logical thing
umh not sure about that..they repositioned at an higher price
with automotive etc. collaborations and they seem to be selling well. I think the grandfather watches should not be revived. Demand is not that high for these models. Virtually have brand has the classic models. I also fear that the enthusiasm for classic watches made by independents e.g. Laurent Ferrier, especially at very high prices, is not there anymore.
lol wat
Look at auction results, complete opposite of what you are saying...
I dont know about LF, but older Dubuis is 100% up YOY
Auction results are never an indication for future business
For a successful auction, it is essential to have at least two bidders interested in the same watch. The early Roger Dubuis watches were produced in limited quantities, resulting in a scarce supply and a slight increase in demand that can potentially drive up prices. However, I must admit that I don't closely monitor auction prices.
That being said, it would be unwise to rely on these figures for reviving older models. An increased supply of items that are not in demand won't prove beneficial. Roger Dubuis' current direction aligns more closely with the preferences of the high-end watch segment (watches priced above $50,000) in terms of design and lifestyle. In other words, these luxury timepieces are not reminiscent of the beloved grandfather wore (small, simple etc.)
I think I'm "bothered" more by 'Poincon de Geneve' in full display, but I probably get the broader point... Sometimes this excessive writing is simply insecurity -- it reminds you of those folks who include their full CV in their email signature! ;-))
However, for instance Rolex (likely THE eminent exception here) seems to do it more as a nod to tradition....so my level of tolerance, or at least perception, depends a lot on the actor
Cheers.
I never understood why Patek felt the need to engrave " Genève " on the bezel of the poor 5131, in this vein...
That is part of the name, "Patek Philippe Geneve," and it needs to go somewhere -- the whole signature is in fact on the bezel :-)
The 5131 was the first modern, in-catalog WT enamel series, and given that the dial was busy enough, I don't mind this more original touch... I know that others prefer the more recent choice to have the full signature on the dial, as we see today on the 5231 or the 5531 (or all the out-of-catalog Rare Handcrafts).
As a purist, I honestly have MUCH more of a problem to not see the full signature on the 5303 and 5304 until I flip the watch, the *only* occurrence in the entire current catalog.....but I confess I've yet to fully adjust to the 5303 anyway!!😄😇
Cheers.
Does it really need to go somewhere? We already have the PP signature on the movement. It is like if you put the name orange on an orange...
You know, I had to look it up…..
But, if anyone is interested, the fruit came first. They named the color after the fruit. 🍊🍊🍊😀
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around with Patek the company and Patek the watches (which both came after Patek the man! ;-)))
Well, I don’t think it’s mandated by law, but if you buy an orange from the most prestigious orange maker in the world, who historically wrote it on top of EVERY fruit for 184 years….then yes, you WANT to see “orange” written on yours as well !😂😂🍊
interesting point about email signatures
Apologies for going off-topic here.
I might be one of those people who include my degree abbreviations after my name in professional emails. But it makes me wonder, is it really about insecurity for the writer or the reader? I mean, if someone has earned those degrees, why not let others know?
In countries like Switzerland, Germany, and Austria, it's pretty common and usually not seen as rude, especially if you're in academia. They've even got a system to tell the difference between medical doctors and non-medical ones, like Dr. med. for medical doctors and Dr. rer. nat. for scientists.
I might be one of those people who include my degree abbreviations after my name in professional emails. But it makes me wonder, is it really about insecurity for the writer or the reader? I mean, if someone has earned those degrees, why not let others know?
In countries like Switzerland, Germany, and Austria, it's pretty common and usually not seen as rude, especially if you're in academia. They've even got a system to tell the difference between medical doctors and non-medical ones, like Dr. med. for medical doctors and Dr. rer. nat. for scientists.
I've noticed that in the U.S., things are more laid-back. I've always been curious about why that's the case.
For example, if you put "Dr." or "Ph.D." after your name, does that really mean you're insecure? Or is it more about a reader without those degrees feeling like it's unnecessary?
For example, if you put "Dr." or "Ph.D." after your name, does that really mean you're insecure? Or is it more about a reader without those degrees feeling like it's unnecessary?
Sure, I definitely didn't refer to the obvious titles, affiliations, etc. in an automatic signature -- I agree that eliminating everything, especially in a professional setting, would go unnecessarily in the opposite direction! :-)
By "folks who include their full CV" I meant that I literally see people who, after name, title and affiliation, start listing a bunch of honors, prizes or the like, reaching a comic 5- to 10-line automatic signature! As a personal standard, that is what I find *way* too odd I mentioned that in jest as it came to mind in reference to "Poincon de Geneve" and "Winding System" on the face of the watch (though the context is of course different).
I mentioned that in jest as it came to mind in reference to "Poincon de Geneve" and "Winding System" on the face of the watch (though the context is of course different).For instance, my own signature, which I haven't changed since I became full prof. in 2016, includes 'Name, PhD' on first line, then below is my title (which is 'Professor of Mathematics,' so prof. obviously goes in too), current affiliation, email and professional webpage. That's considered quite standard, and perhaps necessary when you communicate with a broad range of folks or organizations in a professional setting.
Honestly, I'm not particularly concerned that someone (older than 5) may get offended by my signature because they didn't get the same degrees -- I never meant that either! [Incidentally, while I got my PhD at age 26, my first PhD student graduated at the AMAZING age of 23 (!) with a great thesis in partition theory that opened up a totally new area....so even PhDs are not all born equal! ;-)))]
[Incidentally, while I got my PhD at age 26, my first PhD student graduated at the AMAZING age of 23 (!) with a great thesis in partition theory that opened up a totally new area....so even PhDs are not all born equal! ;-)))]What I never do is signing off as 'Prof. Name' above the automatic signature (in lieu of my name only), including when I write to students, secretaries, etc.. I know colleagues who do that and I'm not questioning their choice, but just my name (first and last, where necessary) again sounds more balanced.
Hope this answers. This could actually make for an interesting topic of discussion (perhaps on TimeOut rather than Roger Dubuis! ) since I bet that the answers would be VERY different depending on country, profession, maybe even social setting, age, etc.! Cheers.
) since I bet that the answers would be VERY different depending on country, profession, maybe even social setting, age, etc.! Cheers.You know, for the longest time I referred to myself as Dr. NickO, PhD….
in my email signature, LinkedIn profile, website, bio and resume / CV. However, eventually I had to stop. Apparently, you’re supposed to actually be a doctor or hold a PhD to use those titles. 😳
Ironically, for as long as you gain no practical advantage, you might even be covered by the 1st amendment in listing those titles (a pretty unique country in this respect! ;-), but I agree it's more appropriate to avoid in this instance! ;-)))
Very interesting points ! 👏
First off, I have to say I'm really impressed that you got a PhD in math at 26. Like most law grads, I'm not so great at math, except for basic arithmetic when I'm buying a watch, haha 😅 I'm glad you didn't mean just listing short titles in email signatures because I've been doing that for years! Now, back to the watch discussion: I think the Roger Dubuis model you're talking about is the Pirelli, which has both the Winding System and the Poinçon de Genève on the dial. Other models, like the "standard" Spider, only have the Poinçon de Genève. The Huracan line just says "Swiss GENEVA made" (see photo) but does list power reserve and twin barrel. I have seen the Pirelli in person, and honestly, I do not think any future or current owner would be bothered by the winding system on it. Why? Because the whole vibe of the new Roger Dubuis models is to be bold, embracing their "no rules, our game" mentality. This watch definitely gives off a "more is more" vibe, making the winding system on the Pirelli model a perfect fit. I just wanted to share the perspective of someone who owns a similar model!
Christian
I shall pose the question
I am privileged to have been invited to the Roger Dubuis manufacture on 15 May and will ask them the question. I do agree that less is more on a dial and I am not just referring to the writing but to everything. A cluttered and illegible dial takes the beauty away from a watch.
Frankly Roger Dubuis new models are all skeletonised so
I don't think that the small writing in the rotor is excessive. Also poincon de geneve should be there.
Good to hear a differing opinion! 👍🏻
I don’t think the writing is excessive, I just think it’s unnecessary.
may be..I am not a watch designer so
I cannot pinpoint the exact reason for their decision to include that feature. However, I observed the rotor in a model some time ago (though I don't own it), and I found it visually appealing. For me, it emphasized that the watch was not equipped with a tourbillon or any other complex mechanism, but rather a micro-rotor. Although it may not be necessary, the feature adds balance to the design and enhances its overall aesthetic appeal.
