Patek Philippe 5131J vs 5231J World Time Comparison
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Patek Philippe 5131J vs 5231J World Time Comparison

By patekova · Apr 25, 2019 · 43 replies
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Patekova initiates a compelling discussion comparing two Patek Philippe World Time references, the 5131J and the 5231J. This thread delves into the nuances of their design, particularly focusing on the enamel world maps and Patek Philippe's creative choices. Readers gain insight into collector preferences regarding case styles, dial aesthetics, and the subtle yet significant differences between these highly coveted models.







There are many rather obvious differences: case size (5131 is larger) and case style, different font (more traditional font on 5231), Patek Philippe on dial (5231) rather than engraved on the bezel (5131), different minute hand ...

But in the most important feature, the maps are basically the same (at least in terms of continents/countries). Yes, the map on the 5231 appears more detailed and colorful. This can be very deceptive because a publicity image from Patek's website may not be entirely accurate especially in terms of actual colors.

So which do I prefer? Initially I preferred the 5231 - more traditional case and font, Patek Philippe on the dial and beautiful map. But my view may be changing. I think there is a lot to appreciate about 5131: the non faceted case keeps the focus on the dial; the map is not cluttered(?)  by "Patek Philippe"; related, the 5131 engraved bezel has its own unique charm; and also has the more interesting and unusual font. For me the only way to know for sure which I prefer, is to see a 5231J in the metal.

Bottom line - I love both!

But, I have one major disappointment regarding 5231J. It is not with the watch, which on its own, is stunningly beautiful and a watch I would be thrilled  to own!

My disappointment is with the company. Couldn't they have done something other than basically recreating the exact map of 5131J?  How about a scene (city, jungle, lighthouse, anything - or if a map at least something different, eg a map of just the Americas. All these images have historical antecedents in Patek's cloissone history. To just do the same basic map IMHO shows a lack of creativity and daring and is disappointing. So, yes, I would love to own the 5231J, but it could have been unique and visionary. It is an incredible watch and beautiful, but it could have been even more special.

Best, patekova 


About the Patek Philippe Ref. 5131

The Patek Philippe Complications reference 5131 is a World Time model, distinguished by its cloisonné enamel dial depicting a map of the world. This reference is part of a series that showcases Patek Philippe's expertise in both horological complications and traditional decorative arts, offering a functional travel watch with significant aesthetic appeal. It represents a continuation of the brand's long-standing tradition of producing World Time watches, updated with contemporary design elements and a self-winding movement. The 5131 is recognized for its intricate dial work, which varies depending on the specific metal and region depicted.

The watch features a 39.5mm case, available in various precious metals, housing the self-winding Caliber 240 HU. This movement provides a power reserve of 48 hours and drives the World Time complication, allowing the wearer to simultaneously view the time in 24 different time zones. The case is fitted with a sapphire crystal, ensuring durability and clear visibility of the detailed dial. Water resistance is rated at 30 meters, suitable for everyday wear. The fixed bezel frames the intricate dial, contributing to the watch's refined profile.

As a World Time model with a cloisonné dial, the 5131 appeals to collectors who appreciate both technical sophistication and artisanal craftsmanship. Its limited production and the unique hand-finished nature of each dial contribute to its desirability within the secondary market. The reference fits into Patek Philippe's Complications collection as a high-end travel watch, offering a distinctive alternative to more traditional time-only or chronograph models. Variants typically involve different precious metal cases and corresponding enamel map depictions.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.240 HU
Case
yellow gold
Diameter
39.5mm
Dial
blue
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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alexxelor
Apr 25, 2019

What happened the designers?

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patrickh
Apr 25, 2019

No one near you can miss the BIG logo: "PATEK PHILIPPE GENEVE". A new style ;-((

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FRAMII
Apr 25, 2019

I like the new stile and have ordered one. It’s different from 5131J but i would say it’s an upgrade due to the better enamel dial. But thats only my opinion.

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FabR
Apr 25, 2019

Except for this, I've read positive reviews from nearly anyone who already had a chance to see both in the metal, because of the various improvements you mention... So I'm looking forward to seeing the 5231 too next month before arriving at a "definitive" opinion. Cheers.

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BMR
Apr 25, 2019

I have ordered one. I prefer the enamel work on the dial itself, the vintage aesthetic, the size, etc. are all more to my taste.

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parle73
Apr 25, 2019

These days, when I see the new releases from Patek, I feel disappointed.. Most of the designs are combinations of past features presented in different sizes, different metals, combinations of fonts and hands. The overall designs lack clarity, aesthetics and simplicity for which Patek is known for in their adaptation of Bauhaus design principles when they came up with Calatrava line and Calatrava cross for the deployant clasp. The map on these 2 world timers is so rudimentary.. it looks like some

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