Patek Philippe 5170J Chronograph Review
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Patek Philippe 5170J Chronograph Review

By Mr.Gatsby · Apr 18, 2021 · 40 replies
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Mr.Gatsby embarks on a focused journey into Patek Philippe's manually wound chronographs, beginning with the often-underestimated Ref. 5170J. His initial impressions and rationale for choosing this particular reference offer a compelling perspective on its value, wearability, and historical significance, especially in contrast to more celebrated models like the Ref. 5070 and the Datograph. This article delves into why the 5170J, with its in-house CH 29-535 PS movement, stands as a milestone for modern Patek Philippe chronographs.

Took the plunge on this less than popular reference recently and have started to dedicate a portion of my time and finances on understanding Patek chronographs. The manually wound chronograph has been a favorite complication of mine for years. However due to my varied interest in watch collecting, I have yet to focus my energy on this segment till now.

Many years ago I picked up a Roger Dubuis Hommage H40, and subsequently in recent years a Datograph. I’ve decided to start from the later iterations of manually wound Pateks and then make my way back, hence the ref. 5170j.

Some quick key points:
1. Classic looking aesthetics paying homage to the ref. 1463
2. Proportions and wearability are clearly there
3. First in-house chronograph movement CH 29-535 PS

There has been numerous comparisons made on the ref. 5170 versus other chronographs, most notably the 5070 and the Datograph. And while the comparisons arguably tip in favor of both the ref. 5070 and Datograph, I still ended up buying one.

The reasons are as such:
1. It is a real bargains versus a vintage ref. 1463, or ref. 130
2. Wearability wise it is (especially in my case) probably better compared to other larger manual wound chronographs, making them less classically proportioned
3. I really appreciate the movement fwiw. Aesthetics aside. The operation of the chronograph is superfluous and buttery. Against the Datograph (superfluous but there is a firmness and rigidity to it) I wouldn’t say it’s any lesser.
4. In the history of Patek, I believe this reference is sort of a milestone reference, being the first modern chronograph to sport Patek’s first in-house movement. For that, I do appreciate it.
5. Against the other iterations (P version aside), I feel that the J is most faithful in terms of paying homage to the vintage, relative to the G and R iterations.

I would love to experience the 5070 some day, and perhaps even the vintage ref. 1463. As quoted previously, the 5070 in Porsche terms is akin to a 993. If so, the 5170 to me is like a 997. While the 993 is more collectible indefinitely, the 5170 can be enjoyable to ā€œdriveā€ too due to its wearability.

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I welcome everyone to chime in with their thoughts on this reference. It would be a great pleasure to discuss, learn, experience and appreciate these watches with the community.

BR,
Gatsby


About the Patek Philippe Complications Ref. 130

The Patek Philippe Reference 130 is a significant chronograph model, notable for its classic design and the various configurations in which it was produced. While many examples feature a standard chronograph layout, specific iterations, such as those with split-seconds functionality, represent a higher echelon of horological complexity within the reference. The model is recognized for its balanced proportions and the legibility of its dial, making it a favored choice among collectors seeking vintage Patek Philippe chronographs.

This particular example of the Reference 130 is distinguished by its yellow gold case, measuring 33mm in diameter. It houses a manual-winding movement, typical for chronographs of its era, and is fitted with a crystal, likely acrylic or sapphire depending on the specific production period and any subsequent servicing. The case construction and movement finishing adhere to Patek Philippe's high standards for precision and durability.

Collector interest in the Reference 130 is driven by its historical importance as an early chronograph from the brand and the rarity of certain dial and complication variations. The presence of unique characteristics, such as Breguet numerals, specific dial signatures, or the absence of a tachymeter scale, can significantly influence its appeal. The reference appeals to those who appreciate the foundational designs of Patek Philippe's chronograph lineage.

Specifications

Caliber
13'''
Case
Yellow gold
Diameter
33mm
Dial
Silver
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

Key Points from the Discussion

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The Discussion
MR
Mr.Gatsby
Apr 18, 2021

The sub dials below the 3 and 9 o’clock are similar those of the 5270 vs the 5970 I think? Speaking of the 5070, if only I can pull that off on my wrist ! Would be a dream come true. Best Regards Gatsby

CO
COUNT DE MONET
Apr 18, 2021

The 5070 was the first manual from Patek in 60 years or so and was hence very sought after, to say the least. The 5170 being in-house and technically far, far more advaced than the 5070 was not able to repeat the craze of the 5070. The craze would have been more rightful for the 5170 than the 5070, looking back. The 5170 movement is on par with the Dato's movement, where the 5070 is not. You have bought yourself a superb chronograph that looks fantastic in yellow gold.

MR
Mr.Gatsby
Apr 18, 2021

In terms of purchase price (I hope! Lol šŸ˜†). Most important would be wearability.

MR
Mr.Gatsby
Apr 18, 2021

I do agree that the 5170 came at the wrong time. It should’ve been produced earlier, in response to the datograph back in ā€˜99.

MR
Mr.Gatsby
Apr 18, 2021

The PP journey has begun for me.

ZS
ZSHSZ
Apr 18, 2021

Same as you, I had the chance to try all the competitors, my good friend has a 5070G and I wore it for a week, and as many times I glanced at it the first thing that came to mind is that it’s a ā€œmistakeā€, one can clearly see that Patek tried to hide the small move to in a big case, since we mostly see the front of the watch that bothered me, the Datograph I owned for years, and also got sold because of the ergonomics, and poor legibility. The moment I saw the 5170, I knew this is it! Fits like a

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