Patek Philippe Celestial 6102 Complication
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Patek Philippe Celestial 6102 Complication

By Bruno.M1 · Sep 15, 2017 · 25 replies
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Bruno.M1 shares his admiration for the Patek Philippe Celestial, particularly the white metal with blue dial, despite his reservations about its movement. He questions the use of a base Caliber 240 movement in a watch at such a high price point, comparing it to other high complications like the 5204 and 5370. Despite this, he positions the Celestial as a top contender in the non-discontinued market, highlighting its unique aesthetic and poetic complication.

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Always liked the white metal with blue. Not for the movement cause that is the only thing I don't like. For such an impressive complication and such a price tag it could have been more 'special' than the same base movement we find in a world timer. Nothing wrong with a 240, I absolutely love it in my WT but in a watch at a similar price level of a 5204 and 5370 I want to see more.
That aside, if I had the money, I would buy one definitely.  Since I got crazy about watches I never really cared about a repeater not tourbillon, it's just not for me. I appreciate the complication but I would buy other complications. Chronographs!
This Celestial on the other hand would probably be another serious candidate. In the non discontinued market I would put this in the top 3. If the budget was big enough  ... a 5204, a 5370 and probably the 6102

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About the Patek Philippe Split-Seconds Chronograph Perpetual Calendar Ref. 5204

Patek Philippe Reference 5204 Split-Seconds Chronograph Perpetual Calendar

The Reference 5204 combines split-seconds chronograph functionality with perpetual calendar complications in a 40mm case format. This reference represents Patek Philippe's approach to integrating dual chronograph timing capabilities with complete calendar functions, positioning it as a grand complication within the manufacture's lineup.

The 40mm case is available in 18k white gold or rose gold with polished bezel treatment and sapphire crystal. The manual-winding Caliber R CH 27 PS QI provides 48 hours of power reserve. Dial options include silvery-gray or silvery-opaline finishes, paired with alligator leather straps. Water resistance is rated to 30 meters.

Produced from 2012 to 2019, the 5204 appeals to collectors seeking complications beyond standard chronographs or simple perpetual calendars. The split-seconds function adds timing versatility while maintaining the traditional manual-winding operation characteristic of high-end chronograph manufacture. The reference serves collectors prioritizing mechanical complexity and dual precious metal case options.

Specifications

Caliber
R CH 27 PS QI
Case
18k White Gold or Rose Gold
Diameter
40 mm
Dial
Silvery-gray or Silvery-opaline
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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amanico
Sep 15, 2017
I 90% agree with you. The movement is also an issue for me. The list, too... Except that I much prefer the 5102 to the 6102. The date is disturbing me. I prefer the 5102 for the purity of

Its dial. And like you, I consider it as a dream watch... Now, the movement, once again... Best, Nicolas

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Marcus Hanke
Sep 15, 2017
Apparently, I am desensitized in the question of base movements ....

... but astronomic complications and indications are energy hungry. A fine and delicate movement might be exclusive, but mostly not reasonable. This is why I have no problems at all with the ETA 2892A2 being the base movement of Ulysse Nardin's astronomic Trilogy. This has proven to work very well, that's all I do care about. Marcus

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Mark in Paris
Sep 15, 2017
Thanks for this perspective Marcus :) [nt]

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Blesk
Sep 15, 2017
Agreed

Agree with your comment about the movement. Could have been more special. I love the central months indicator. Wish there were more models with this complication.

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Mark in Paris
Sep 15, 2017
I think I totally agree with you

I've seen the 6102P a year ago and indeed, I'm also very attracted by the way the sky has been represented and what it brings in terms of poetry. Maybe that the 44mm are necessary for such a dial... I've never found any problem in having a smaller movement in a big case. In fact when I look at a movement, proportions compared to the case is not something even coming to my mind. However, there is an exception with this one: not about the size but about the fact we have, in a 200K€ watch, a 240. I

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Mean Solar Time
Sep 15, 2017
No problems with the movement. It needs to be thin!

I think ... so long as it's solid and reliable ... the movement is not an issue. On the contrary the 240 is probably the ideal movement if self-winding is desired. In other threads I've seen concerning this watch and specifically complaining about the movement, I think the writers don't understand how big the 6102 is because of the Celestial complication? As a result, it truly requires a very thin movement to avoid becoming overly chunky.

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