Patek Philippe Chronographs 130, 1463, 5370
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Patek Philippe Chronographs 130, 1463, 5370

By amanico · Dec 10, 2015 · 25 replies
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Nicolas (amanico) initiates a discussion comparing three iconic Patek Philippe chronographs: the vintage References 130 and 1463, and the modern Ref. 5370. He critically examines their design elements, movements, and case sizes, ultimately envisioning an 'ideal' Patek chronograph that blends the best features of these revered models.

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Two pictures of some holy monsters in the vintage world, to be credited to John Goldberger:

Ref 1463, steel case:



 


Ref 130, steel case:
 

Ref 5370, in platinum, with a black enamel dial:


 

The problem is that even if the Valjoux 23 is a good movement, I would love to see something more refined... The 5370, with its split seconds is better. 

The black enamel dial is captivating, but I am not fan of these two subdials which are located under the 3 / 9 o clock line. 

The Ref 130 is superb, but a tad too small, with its 31 mm diameter. 

The Ref 1463 case is better, with its 35 mm case, but I too often saw this dial, which is very close to the 5070. 

So, for me, the ideal would be the sector dial of the Ref 130, in the 41 mm case of the 5370, with a flat ( and even better ) step bezel, and the movement of the 5370, and the pushers of the 130 or the 5370. 

Steel would be my favorite metal. But platinum would do it, too. 

What do you think? 

Best,

Nicolas

About the Patek Philippe Complications Ref. 130

The Patek Philippe Reference 130 is a significant chronograph model, notable for its classic design and the various configurations in which it was produced. While many examples feature a standard chronograph layout, specific iterations, such as those with split-seconds functionality, represent a higher echelon of horological complexity within the reference. The model is recognized for its balanced proportions and the legibility of its dial, making it a favored choice among collectors seeking vintage Patek Philippe chronographs.

This particular example of the Reference 130 is distinguished by its yellow gold case, measuring 33mm in diameter. It houses a manual-winding movement, typical for chronographs of its era, and is fitted with a crystal, likely acrylic or sapphire depending on the specific production period and any subsequent servicing. The case construction and movement finishing adhere to Patek Philippe's high standards for precision and durability.

Collector interest in the Reference 130 is driven by its historical importance as an early chronograph from the brand and the rarity of certain dial and complication variations. The presence of unique characteristics, such as Breguet numerals, specific dial signatures, or the absence of a tachymeter scale, can significantly influence its appeal. The reference appeals to those who appreciate the foundational designs of Patek Philippe's chronograph lineage.

Specifications

Caliber
13'''
Case
Yellow gold
Diameter
33mm
Dial
Silver
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Mark in Paris
Dec 10, 2015
These Patek Chronographs are very important elements of Chronos history

I also share your opinion about the 5370 coming back as a great representative of Patek chronographs legacy. For the older references, I would prefer the 530 to the 130 as it is bigger (36 or 36.5mm), only larger lugs which look more balanced to me (130 has both larger and thin ones) and still the nice concave bezel. 2 examples of the ref. 530 (credit: Antiquorum): The 1463 is a chronograph I like a lot too, even if I'm not a great fan of these pushers (maybe a little too big compared to the cas

AM
amanico
Dec 10, 2015
It is a compliment, and a well deserved one, as...

This is to me the finest Patek of the 2015 collection. Yes ,the 530 case with its 36 mm is very interesting. To me better than the 130 because of the size, 36 mm being " easier " to wear than 31 mm. Best, Mark. Nicolas

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watch-guy.com
Dec 10, 2015
I think these old chronos have so much character

The balance and design of the date together with the case are just perfect Movements are pretty good but can be found in other brands for much less money though The 5370 P is another jewel in the crown I would wonder though if I was going to spend north of $200k , would I go for that piece or a stunning vintage 1463?? Yes, you guys have the best of both with the 50570 - which I am still searching for Julian

AM
amanico
Dec 10, 2015
Good question, Julian. I am pretty happy with the 5070. A good compromise, indeed. [nt]

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geross
Dec 10, 2015
Breathtaking pieces. Chronographs. Legendary.

I like it both in steel and platinum. Steel , the metal would characterize it as a dignified tool watch. While platinum would make it more elegant but low key. Cheers & best. Geross

AM
amanico
Dec 10, 2015
Well said, Geross. We agree, here. [nt]

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