Patek Philippe DNA: Modern Watches & Heritage
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Patek Philippe DNA: Modern Watches & Heritage

By Baron - Mr Red · Oct 12, 2017 · 41 replies
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Baron - Mr Red's insightful post delves into the profound influence of Patek Philippe's historical references on its modern creations, using the 5070 chronograph and its predecessor, the Reference 2512, as a prime example. He argues that understanding this evolutionary 'DNA' is crucial for appreciating contemporary Patek Philippe watches, moving beyond simplistic comparisons of 'better' or 'worse.' His analysis encourages a mutual appreciation for both modern and vintage pieces, recognizing their inseparable connection through a rich heritage.

When we look at new models released by Patek Philippe, more often than not the inspiration for the new model comes from a prior reference. From my perspective, to really understand a modern watch one needs to see how it evolved. Take, for example, the 5070 chronograph. When I was at the museum a couple of years ago, the Reference 2512 was highlighted as being the inspiration for the 5070. The 5070 was Patek's first simple manual would chronograph for over 40 years. The introduction of the watch was seen as a very bold move. In the following image, I combine the Reference 2512 split second (believed to be a unique version) and the 5070J, which can be said to be the most directly-related model of the four 5070 metals.

The DNA is not stolen from the past, but borrowed. Look how the sub-indices cut into the numerals. Look at the style of the bezel. The pushers. Yellow gold and black dial. It really is borrowing heavily from the DNA of the past. I thought the above image was fun to reproduce just to show it. Modern Patek Philippe watches are more than the sum of their parts because of the history on which the watches are built. That history plays a big part in giving a watch its character and personality. Patek have been at the horological top table for most of the last 100 years. So, when a modern watch is developed, it owes its perceived status to that rich heritage.


For me, when we look at modern watches and decide to call them "better"  or whatever comparative is used, i think we miss the point. Recently, a member here described the 5970 as having a relatively mundane appearance. Its movement was described as relatively uninteresting. Further, it was argued that to go for a 5970 the only reason would be the correct scaling at 18000 beats. To be honest, I think these type of comparatives are slightly inuslting, blinkered and totally missing the point. The 5970 derives its appearance from the 1518 and to some extent the 2499. Patek, themselves, describe the 5970 as a watch with cult status. It has that status, I believe, because the history upon which it was built is so rich. When Patek developed the perpetual calendar chronograph, it led the industry. Indeed, both 2499 and 1518 are still considered by many as essentially the most perfect watches ever made. To have had that durability is quite something. Understanding how history has shaped a watch, then, becomes quite relevant when that history is as important as that of Patek Philippe.


My point here is that many of Patek Philippe's modern watches exist solely because they are an evolution of the past - in the same way that the DB11 is an evolution of the DB5. The DB11 is faster. Safer. With technology and build quality that is far superior to its grandfather.  Yet, to make the leap and call it "better" is not something that one does readily.


Instead, perhaps, we should embrace both modern and vintage as inseperable and almost beyond comparatives. Rather than derogation of one or the other, perhaps mutual appreciation of the process of how a modern watch evolved would be a better approach. Each of us has our own "truth" about what a watch should be. That individual "truth" should never be mistaken for a generalised truth.




About the Patek Philippe Ref. 5070

The Patek Philippe reference 5070, part of the Complications collection, marked a significant return for the brand to large-format chronographs. Introduced in 1998, it was the first non-perpetual calendar chronograph produced by Patek Philippe since the reference 1463, which ceased production in the early 1960s. Its design drew inspiration from a unique Patek Philippe aviator's watch from the 1940s, characterized by its prominent case and dial layout, yet reinterpreted for a contemporary audience. This reference established a new aesthetic direction for the brand's chronographs, moving towards more substantial case dimensions.

The watch features a 42mm case, initially offered in 18k yellow gold, housing the manual-winding Caliber CH 27-70. This movement, based on a Nouvelle Lémania ébauche, was extensively finished and modified by Patek Philippe, meeting the brand's stringent quality standards. It provides a power reserve of approximately 55 hours. The dial, in this specific configuration, is black, protected by a sapphire crystal, and the watch is water-resistant to 30 meters. The fixed bezel frames the dial, and the watch is typically fitted with a leather strap.

Reference 5070 appeals to collectors interested in modern Patek Philippe chronographs that combine traditional movement architecture with a more contemporary case size. Its limited production run and the subsequent introduction of variants in other precious metals contribute to its collectibility. The reference represents a distinct period in Patek Philippe's chronograph history, bridging vintage inspirations with a new era of larger watch designs.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.CH 27-70
Case
18k yellow gold
Diameter
42mm
Dial
black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Miles_151
Oct 12, 2017

Good read and you are correct the 5970 is....has always been and will always be Iconic. "Iconic" Words from the man himself 5070 and 5970 even with their boring dials and inferior re worked Lemania based movements marked with the crappy Geneva seal will be icons for the next generation to dream of owning and a lucky few the pleasure of owning. My eldest boy at 13 is starting to appreciate the 5970 very much and is looking forward to his 25 birthday. Cheers Joe. M.

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Thomahof
Oct 12, 2017

And for the most part I agree! But it must be said that the person who described the 5970 in the manner you refer to did so in a specific context,namely to give advice to someone (me) who explicitly asked for buying advice between that watch and the 5170P. It did not mean that his utterance was his final verdict over the 5970. Apart from that I think what you are saying makes perfect sence, and is greatly appreciated. Regards Thomas

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Baron - Mr Red
Oct 12, 2017

one can be positive about one watch without having to denigrate another. So often, statements are made as "absolute truths" whereas in fact, there are very few absolute truths. If the only way of giving buying advice is to denigrate one of the watches being discussed, then that is very sad.

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Ares501 - Mr Green
Oct 12, 2017

5070J is and has become my favorite modern PP and for more than a year now I think...let the trashing begin ...but it's my truth and I ain't ashamed of it...having said that I would never make a statement about other PP reference in a way I think of them less superior or more superior not about any other watch in that vein....having said that as well.... I was always bedazzle with questions what watch should I buy...that question never made any sense to me...am I buying a watch or am I buying ot

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thomaspp
Oct 12, 2017

Everything starts from something else... that's part of the reason why many of us come back to the brand time and time again. 5070 is such a legend!

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Thomahof
Oct 12, 2017

Hovewer, it does not mean that I NEED the advice in order to make decisions. I think "this or that" threads are very entertaining, and that we all can learn things from them that we did not know before. I think this goes particularly for members who are fairly new to the game. But as Baron points out, members need to be very disciplined and balanced in these discussions,and avoid strong negative descriptions of watches that have obvious qualities. Thomas

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