
Baron - Mr Red critically examines the practice of buying Patek Philippe watches in sealed plastic, arguing that this trend, driven by speculation, may be nearing its end. He highlights Patek Philippe's new stance against sealed watches and raises concerns about the ease of faking packaging, which could pose new risks for collectors.

The Patek Philippe Complications reference 5131 is a World Time model, distinguished by its cloisonné enamel dial depicting a map of the world. This reference is part of a series that showcases Patek Philippe's expertise in both horological complications and traditional decorative arts, offering a functional travel watch with significant aesthetic appeal. It represents a continuation of the brand's long-standing tradition of producing World Time watches, updated with contemporary design elements and a self-winding movement. The 5131 is recognized for its intricate dial work, which varies depending on the specific metal and region depicted.
The watch features a 39.5mm case, available in various precious metals, housing the self-winding Caliber 240 HU. This movement provides a power reserve of 48 hours and drives the World Time complication, allowing the wearer to simultaneously view the time in 24 different time zones. The case is fitted with a sapphire crystal, ensuring durability and clear visibility of the detailed dial. Water resistance is rated at 30 meters, suitable for everyday wear. The fixed bezel frames the intricate dial, contributing to the watch's refined profile.
As a World Time model with a cloisonné dial, the 5131 appeals to collectors who appreciate both technical sophistication and artisanal craftsmanship. Its limited production and the unique hand-finished nature of each dial contribute to its desirability within the secondary market. The reference fits into Patek Philippe's Complications collection as a high-end travel watch, offering a distinctive alternative to more traditional time-only or chronograph models. Variants typically involve different precious metal cases and corresponding enamel map depictions.
but I am quite concerned that certain markets that literally demand that watches are in plastic wrapping or sealed (when it comes to Patek) will drive up the prices of used sealed Pateks. I certainly hope not but certain cultures I know of unfortunately may have different preferences.
But there are enough watches out there bought pre July 2017 that remain boxed and sealed so these might find their way into the used market. No one can stop this I guess but I hope in the years to come once we pass this two to three year phase, we do not see any more sealed watches in the used market.
.....even if we do still see sealed plastic, if we as a community continue to highlight the risks of this process....if we continually state that this sealed bag could contain ANYTHING, then the value of that sealed bag gets damaged..... so for me, i don't care if its pre-2017 or post-2017, if a watch is in a sealed plastic bag, I have no definitive way of knowing what is inside.....its risky. Simple.
What if the watch is double sealed? Would this not add reassurance to the potential buyer that the watch is brand new? Excuse my ignorance but can people fake the double seal administered by Patek? And if they can fake this double seal, why on earth have people buying used been paying a premium for double sealed watches??!!
......Sham, I have seen what has been done in vintage Rolex world. Basically, an entire watch that is 50-60 years old can now be "reproduced" with such accuracy to the original that essentially nobody can determine if it is a fake or not. With this degree of technology, "faking" a cardboaard box and some plastic is just not in the same game. You ask why has this situation prevailed in Patek Philippe for so long....King with no clothes analogy....greater fool theory.....I don't know is teh short
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