Patek Philippe Vintage vs. Modern Collection
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Patek Philippe Vintage vs. Modern Collection

By patekova · Apr 3, 2017 · 21 replies
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It is often said that the line of demarcation between vintage and modern is around 1985. So, 2499, 3448 and 3450 are generally considered vintage. 3940 and 3970 are generally considered to mark the beginning of modern. The modern era brings in more common use of sapphire crystals; also, display back

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It is often said that the line of demarcation between vintage and modern is around 1985. So, 2499, 3448 and 3450 are generally considered vintage. 3940 and 3970 are generally considered to mark the beginning of modern. The modern era brings in more common use of sapphire crystals; also, display backs and quick set correctors for the 4 calendar functions (day, date, month and moon).

1985 is a purely arbitrary demarcation - please use any determinant that works for you to separate vintage and modern.

I love both vintage and modern.

I feel the 40s-50s represents a Golden Age of Watchmaking; but I feel the same way about the modern era, particularly 1995-present. Aside from the fabulous designs and complex mechanisms of modern Pateks, I love the robustness (sapphire crystals), see thru backs and ease of use. It takes a minute to set all 4 calendar functions on a modern perpetual chrono. Try setting all functions on a 3448/2499 - good luck and be sure to allot plenty, and I mean plenty of time. Also I love buying brand-new watches which come complete with everything and knowing that I will be the first to wear them.

Vintage watches have "a history" unique to each timepiece, a charm and charisma often lacking in modern. There are more dial variations within a reference adding to the exclusivity, but they are more delicate. If you have a mint vintage piece, you might feel as I do, reluctant to add any signs of wear or tear to it. Vintage watches are in general just not as reliable, but there are exceptions eg 27SC movements are extraordinarily reliable, accurate and durable.

So although I love both vintage and modern with an equal passion, from a wearing standpoint I almost always wear modern. They are in perfect condition (and I am a condition fanatic), usually have visible movements, are robust and easy to set, have scratch resistant crystals and are equally beautiful. 

I look forward to reading the viewpoints of other Forum members.

Best, patekova


About the Patek Philippe Perpetual Calendar Ref. 3448

The Patek Philippe Reference 3448 is notable as the brand's first self-winding perpetual calendar wristwatch. Introduced in 1962, it marked a significant technical advancement for Patek Philippe, combining the convenience of an automatic movement with the intricate perpetual calendar complication. This reference established a new standard for complicated wristwatches and laid the groundwork for subsequent automatic perpetual calendar models. It was produced for over two decades, demonstrating its enduring appeal and technical success.

The watch features an 18k yellow gold case with a diameter of 37.5 mm, housing the automatic caliber 27-460 Q. This movement provides a power reserve of approximately 40 hours. The dial is champagne in color, protected by a sapphire crystal, and the watch offers a water resistance of 30 meters. The bezel is polished, complementing the overall classic design of the timepiece.

Reference 3448 is highly regarded by collectors for its historical significance as Patek Philippe's inaugural automatic perpetual calendar. It appeals to those who appreciate the blend of traditional watchmaking with technical innovation. The model was primarily produced in yellow gold, with very few examples in white gold, rose gold, or platinum, making those variants particularly rare. Its production run concluded in 1985, solidifying its place as a key reference in the history of complicated Patek Philippe wristwatches.

Specifications

Caliber
27-460 Q
Case
18k Yellow Gold
Diameter
37.5 mm
Dial
Champagne
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire
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Baron - Mr Red
Apr 3, 2017

.....I have a share of modern and vintage and I tend to wear them all. I wouldn't say I have a preponderance for one over the other. However, as a daily wearer, I would tend to go modern whereas if i am going out for dinner or doing something special, I would tend to go vintage. Its a good question, though......I will re-think it and see if my instinctive response is fair.

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Mark in Paris
Apr 3, 2017

I think that you summed-up several of these issues well. The vintage watches have a charm that I like to see from time to time (like some old cars). By the way, there is quite a diversity in that field. A rounder early model doesn't look like the flater surfaces of a 1960's 3448 for instance. By the way, it is interesting to note that some evolutions today are not welcomed whereas the changes from the 1940's to the 1970's was quite significant in terms of style. Now it is part of the brand's ric

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watch-guy.com
Apr 3, 2017

I love the look and wear of the vintage pieces , something I feel modern pieces do not have . But as Joe has said , it is personal prefernce . I love wearing my old calatravas or vintage rectangular pieces The size fits me and they actually represent good value. Julian

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patekova
Apr 3, 2017

one wears a particular watch for a few months period. I guess you can kind of bond or "re bond" with a watch that way. My attention span is way too short to do that. I tell my wife I can never be faithful to one ... watch. I am constantly switching back and forth. Also, your reply makes me think I should have had 3 categories - vintage, modern and current production. Oh well. Best and thanks for encouraging me to initiate this thread, patekova

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patekova
Apr 3, 2017

excellent value. Rectangles were once the most desired and expensive vintage shape for time only watches. They have the great 9-90 movement, are beautiful, rare and a great bargain. I have none right now but am on the lookout for something mint and unusual. Best, patekova

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Baron - Mr Red
Apr 4, 2017

.....the 5110, for example, is one I would not call vintage but nor is it truly modern. That "transition" phase (at least in my head it is a transition phase) often fills a nice wearing "gap". I do think I look at it based on two key factors. First, is there a special occasion. Second, what type of mood am I in. For a special occasion, I will want an appropriate watch. The 5070, for example, is a watch that is quite visible. Oddly, if i were to wear a business suit and work in an office, I would

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