Mark in Paris
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Congratulations Kari, excellent choice
I saw one in Paris lately and it looks gorgeous, much larger than I thought too (which is a good point for me).
About power: Porsche has proven that it is not having the more power that matters but how the car is balanced in all the sectors (engine, suspensions, brakes, weight balance etc...) and how the power is supplied.
Having a big V12 in the front is for instance something I don't really like as handling is deteriorated as well.
I like that car as a Ferrari (if T sound is good).
Cheers, Mark
Please help me to decide!
I just got a new Porsche 911 Targa 4 GTS. It's the dream car of my wife... She was born in 1987 in Soviet Estonia, just before the Estonian independency. This Soviet background is still influencing because she wants to socialise my car! Let it go... This ...
Ferrari
You already have Porsche and not one as far as I can remember Only Ferrari in Finland how cool is that and nothing beats the sound of Ferrari D
True but
with Porsche it's always possible to delete the model designation and pretend that it's basic 911 with Turbo exhaust pipes. There's no low profile Ferrari... Best, Kari
Ferrari
I live 50 km far from Maranello (Ferrari), 30 km from Sant'agata bolognese (Lamborghini), 10 km from borgo panigale (Ducati). Ferrari is my choice because, as mentioned above, you already have Porsche...but specially because it will be your one and only t...
Ferrari - Porsche 3-0
Ferrari, okay you already have a Porsche but ... .. the Ferrari will be sooOOOOOOO much more involving to drive, more brutal, visually more emotion, the sound will be louder and sharper even if it's a Turbo (so is the Porsche Turbo). Okay, the Porsche wil...
Thanks Bim
My natural modesty prevents me buying a red Ferrari. But perhaps black with very light interior and carbon details... Best, Kari
Not as much as Ferrari but
Silver IMO...in fact racing colours of every country should be obliged White - Japan Red - Italy Silver - Germany Blue - France Green - England you see only thing that I don't have problem with is colour of car I have that other poor man problems D
Thanks. It's good to learn new things.
I did not know that white is the Japanese racing colour. Best, Kari
I thought that the Belgian Racing
Colour is the mixture of the colours of chocolate and Duvel beer... Best, Kari
Brown ..
... would have been appropriate. But since you mentioned the words Duvel and Beer i am now longing for a drink ;-) ... and i forgot to take my beer i left in my workshop yesterday :-( .. i hope the bubbles will be cold enough ! Bim
Nonsense
Ferrari 500 Superfast Speziale Our HRH Prince Bernhard with Mr Ferrari himself. Next to his green Ferrari. ...
Kari.....
have you considered a Bugatti? For example Numero Uno's model Veyron Regards Edward picture from internet ...
I'm a poor man
and heard some horror stories about Bugatti from my friends in UAE. Furthermore, the max. speed in Finland is 120 km/h and in Estonia 110 km/h. I do not need such a fast car! Best, Kari
Unfortunately I'm not as Smart as you
so this is out of question. So let it be Porsche, Ferrari or Ziguli. Best, Kari
One Bugatti costs same as
3 x perfectly equipped Carrera Turbo S plus 3 x Ferrari California T. Best, Kari
Porsche for me please!
But as you already have one would then move to...Aston Martin! My dream car.
Ferrari 3, Porsche 2
I had a close look at Aston Martin. Probably it is a fine car but it does not "speak" to me like Porsche or Ferrari. There's something Ford-like in AM... Best, Kari
Why no Aston Martin? DB11 coming out...Ferrari will be my choice too, same reason...
as others since you have the Targa. Porsche 911 will still have small back seats, so always chance to squeeze in somebody....but Ferrari California T may have that option too, just smaller. Go for other Ferrari pure 2 seaters then....otherwise you may get...
Ferrari 4, Porsche 2
I like my Patek Aquanaut 5167 a lot and it is entry level. It does not bother me a bit if something is entry level. For me the 2+2 configuration is quite important. Sometimes there's a need to squeeze a child to the back seat and it is good to have that o...
What does Alfa Romeo have that
is missing from Porsche Cayman? I started my thinking about a new car from looking at Cayman GTS. However, I did not go further because this car is strictly a two-seater. I'm looking for a 2+2. But if I would be looking at a good, relatively affordable 2-...
I understand, a 2+2...
for this I need to think more. I am a huge fan of the Cayman, it is an amazing car no doubt, but what the Alfa has is a different handling personality because the made chassis tub is made out of carbon fibre making it extremely light and even though a 4 C...
Prancing Horse.
Prancing Horse as you have a Porsche already but it is what makes you happy that counts. PS: I tried the hands off "My car" thingy with the wife, it didn't work.
Ferrari 4, Porsche 3
I'm working hard with the training of my wife. After over 6 years of education, she's already quite okay but I think still a couple of years are needed... Best, Kari
Have you considered something more left field?
Like a Lotus Evora (in one of the supercharged iterations)? Will drive as well as the Porsche, if not better, you will be the only one with one, your wife will have little desire to poach it from you and it is a 2+2 The 2+2 requirement eliminates all Morg...
Ferrari 5, Porsche 3
Thanks. I have not considered Lotus. I know the importer and I have not heard too much good about that car. BMW M4 is not an option. At the moment my wife has 435iX Cabriolet and the car is under snow. We do not drive it much. BMW's turbo is reacting quit...
Ferrari..
for me vs Porsche, but not the California, a bit feminine perhaps? Another left field.........Aston Martin? For you the V12VS.
Fun!
What makes California T feminine? Too little power or design? I need to have a 2 + 2. The other alternative would be FF but it's so bloody ugly. Aston Martin is not really an option, at least the current models. Here the price drops like a rock from the s...
The design (to my eyes)
there is plenty of power for today's roads and conditions. I should read your requirements more carefully, I thought this was for YOU only, hence a 2+0 would be fine A used Aston (Vanquish) should not be ruled out, superb car. For me the best (in terms of...
If I have to get a 2+2 it's going to be ff.
If 2 seater is enough 488 will role my dice California is not a Ferrari .....Not Italian hence the name. These are my 2 cents Best, Ahmed
That's quite a statement!
A two-seater is not enough and FF is bloody ugly. I'll fly to Germany on Wednesday and will see the different models plus do a test drive. I think FF would be pretty perfect; nice engine and 4x4. But the looks... Best, Kari
That's a relevant point because the future is in turbos.
I just bought Targa GTS in order to have a NA. Best, Kari
I didn't like the ff when I first saw it...
But it\'s the kind of a car that grows on you big time and if you are not the red car kinda guy,This is the answer as the ff will look better in dark blue and a light beige interior. Engine roar is beyond,power,Space and the least car in the Ferrari lineu...
I am getting later this year
a Bently Bentayga. Space, 4x4 and 12 cylinders. Best, Kari
With all respect to Bentayga.
It\'s an SUV......Sports car is on another car if you know what I mean. Let\'s see how is goes on after your test drive in Germany. Best, Ahmed
With all due respect to Bentayga.
It\'s an SUV......Sports car is on another car if you know what I mean. A variation of AP royal oak offshore called the grand complication has a perpetual calendar,Split second and a minute repeater but I would rather take a 5078P or a 5370P maybe the AP...
I know, I know...
Bentayga is a family car for the trips to Lapland and summer holiday trips around Europe. The smallest can sit in the back seat and watch the dvd. My toy car is to drive around and enjoy. However, it is a must to be able to give sometimes the wife and the...
What would another (modern) Porsche add
that your current collection can\'t offer? You will never get the full potential out of your 4GTS so why bother with a Turbo? If I was you I would definitely go for a vintage Porsche or a Singer. Especially if it\'s going to be a leisure time car. It will...
Ferrari 6, Porsche 3
Thanks, words of wisdom. I'm sure I will never use the full potential of my Targa GTS and thus, a totally different type of car would make sense. Best, Kari
I gave your specifications some thought...
and I've read your replies to this thread and your indicated budget, I think this ticks all your boxes, fun, 2+2 (roll cage can be removed), different from your other vehicles, can drive it in any weather (I think it can be so much fun in the snow), value...
Wow!
Love these rally monsters! A Porsche you can jump with. What else would you need?
I vote for Ferrari - an ff would be perfect
it doesn't have to be red but I wouldn't buy white as you'll never find it in the winter. Mike ...
A new FF will be introduced
in month plus. I do not really need a 4x4 as my BMW is a four wheel driver like Porsche Cayanne, my 911 Targa GTS and Cayanne. California T is just for fun. My white 435 is under the snow and it's difficult to find it! Best, Kari
I may be able to help a little.
Last year I purchased a Targa 4S for my wife. I optioned it for me, figuring she would not like it after a month or two, I figured wrong and she will not let me drive the Targa. I purchased a California T six months ago and have about 3500 miles on it. Wh...
I drove the new California T on Wednesday.
The driving experience was so impressive that after the long test drive I chose nearly all the options and ordered the car. In Ferrari world 560 hp and 755 nm is not much but normal driving this car is a rocket. Furthermore, it's really handy to have a ca...
Thanks - I will still follow how does the new FF
look like. If it's fantastic, I'm trying to change the order. Anyhow, California T is pretty amazing. I drove a tight ramp to the autobahn and noticed that the third (fastest) lane was empty. There was a small hole between the cars on the 1st and 2nd lane...
Congratulations Kari, excellent choice
I saw one in Paris lately and it looks gorgeous, much larger than I thought too (which is a good point for me). About power: Porsche has proven that it is not having the more power that matters but how the car is balanced in all the sectors (engine, suspe...
Thanks Mark - I was also tempted
to get Porsche Turbo S but having that plus new 911 Targa GTS would have been too much. Now I can take Porsche when feeling like driving easy and slow. And Ferrari when wanting a bit more speed. Plus sometimes later this year Bentayga when needing the spa...
I sold my GT Speed when I purchased the Cali T.
The Bentley was the most comfortable car I have ever owned and it was very fast also. The Cali T is just more fun, kind of like a track car on the street..
I had a close look at GT Speed
But as I'm getting with the same engine and style Bentley Bentayga, I wanted to get something different. And I noticed, this Ferrari is really fun to drive and still it can be used every day. Best, Kari
For spending
NEARLY the price of Patek 5370P. On the other hand I ordered nearly all options available... Best, Kari
I fully agree.
One is not closing out the other but interesting to compare what one can get with the money. Best, Kari