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Hello Marcus, I agree with you to a degree but ......

 

in the end the best kind of independent and objective authority is the customer and this is the ultimate alternative. Is it not? I mean, we should let the watchmakers do the tests they see fit for the purpose of their products, if the customer is satisfied with the result, it is fine for me. We are not talking here about "dangerous, possible life endangering" object. (although, a friend affirms that when pressing on the chronograph pusher of a certain watch brand something may suddenly hurt one's back sidewink) but this is still not life threateningwink....I hopewink

If COSC is definitely not ideal nowadays, for many reasons. The main one, in my opinion, is that only the "uncased" movement is subjected to the test, which is not the case, excuse the pun! for the JLC 1000 Hours Control.  

I think that the 1000 Hours Control which JLC puts its product through is a test with many merits, not the least of which is that they put their reputation on the line and in the end it gives plenty of satisfaction to the great majority of its customers.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

Francois from Down Under

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Master 1000 Hours Control. The content in one scan.

 
By: amanico : March 19th, 2014-04:34
We often discussed the 1000 Hours Control tests, and their difference with the COSC. I scanned the page of a 2002 Catalogue, where it is all explained. Here it is: Have a good read. Nicolas...  

My problem with all these factory-indigenous test procedures ...

 
By: Marcus Hanke : March 19th, 2014-06:18
... is, that unlike the much-criticized COSC tests, the manufacturers rarely disclose the exact test criteria and limit values the watches/movements must not surpass. The text reproduced is typical for that. "The measurement is based on tests performed in... 

I will come back to the limit values, at least for JLC.

 
By: amanico : March 19th, 2014-08:57
I will try to have more précisions on the 1000 Hours Control. As I said, this is an extract I found in a JLC Catalog. Nonetheless, it is true that it would be better to have an external authority to do these tests. But if the outcome is less good than the... 

The high performance of JLC's watches is beyond doubt ...

 
By: Marcus Hanke : March 19th, 2014-09:21
What I am complaining about is the lack of transparency, when all manufacturers strictly keep to their own individual test procedures, which might - not necessarily have - be chosen to perfectly match the characteristics of their own products. However, we... 

Maybe we know more after Basel ...

 
By: Marcus Hanke : March 19th, 2014-12:58
Apparently, there is an effort to establish a new an independent Swiss testing institute. I will try to get more information about this. Marcus

Hello Marcus, I agree with you to a degree but ......

 
By: Sandgroper : March 20th, 2014-07:04
in the end the best kind of independent and objective authority is the customer and this is the ultimate alternative. Is it not? I mean, we should let the watchmakers do the tests they see fit for the purpose of their products, if the customer is satisfie... 

You missed...

 
By: watchme : March 19th, 2014-07:08
pages 187 & 188, where JLC defends the reason for the "Master Control" test, and it wasn't just about accuracy. So, while I agree on one hand with Marcus' analysis of "loss of comparability," JLC's reputation is at stake. It is, also, why PP abandoned... 

Transparency Still Has Value

 
By: Tim_M : March 20th, 2014-05:51
Hi, Personally, there's no good reason why a company shouldn't publish the standards for its internal tests. The only reasons would be ones that are a disservice to consumers, namely, the tests are not rigorous, or the results are not impressive. Rolex CO... 

Hand winding

 
By: sfoskett : March 20th, 2014-04:37
I wonder how the test is performed on hand winding watches. So much here seems to require automatic.

Good one Nicolas, thank you I have learned one.....

 
By: Sandgroper : March 20th, 2014-06:19
more thing reading this article. That is, 800 rotations in two hours is not necessary the same as 400 rotations per hour!? Otherwise it would be stated;) Joke aside, very interesting and from my experience, JLC "normal" wrist watches are definitely the mo...