J-Mac
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Is there a difference...
...in the photos above?
The "Angelus" emblem in Sam's photo seems to be a little "rougher" or at least machined deeper versus Anthony's.
Plus, the "FIFTEEN" in Sam's photo looks a little "stair-stepped" and Anthony's is "in-line".
Maybe its the lighting and the angle of the camera?
Finally, did the vintage movements state "FIFTEEN 15 JEWELS"?
Sincerely,
Johnny Mac
203 Angelus not vintage?
Was on the phone yesterday with a friend who is an expert on restoration. Got talking about "The Vintage References", and the chapter with the models that had an Angelus. Shown in the book were at least three differently finished movements with slight dif...
Answer is very simple mate
as these caliber 240's were not 'found in storage'. They were sold to Panerai By F. Ferretti, so we have good documentation about them. They were not exactly 200 since there is a base movement and a module. I cannot remember the exact number, but I do hav...
Ahaa!
Love the debunking of these mysteries. I would love to see some photography of the old movements, or documentation as you say. Very curious of their state prior to restoration, and how these compare with the movements in Volker's book. The next question i...
He has everything Panerai related would be my only guess
He's accumulated all the rare vintage PAM's many many amny years ago, and seems like he bought everything up when no one ever heard of Panerai. So why not buy up these movements too? I don't know Ferrerti and have never met him before, but if I knew what ...
Again this proves
how much knowledge can be found on this forum...I suspected these were not just spare movments held by panerai....I think we must change your name to Asi007.....Nothing gets by you amigo..Best guillermo
Simple, Asi? don't know, my friend.
Would like to know more about these " resurrected " movements... Best, Nicolas
Let me offer some new pics of my 203 :)
Hope you like them. BTW I read somewhere that the 150 pieces were made from 1,000 movements,,, Sam This message has been edited by samwan on 2009-06-08 18:38:28...
Gorgeous pics, Sam
Yes, I'm impressed by the quality of your pics! As for the movements, I'm laughing... Well, from 150 movements, we go to 200, then to 1 000... First the 203, then the 267... The magic of Panerai, or the Mystery of the multiplication of the movements. Quit...
This is all nonsense
there were 190 base movements and 200 modules sold to Panerai. Cheers, Asi
Watch out Asi is about, not like when ‘Beedle is about’
Asi you are just and plainly correct… as usual. Now with years of experience and knowledge, real hard works on the topic, often finding difficult to write lengthy paragraphs, but always engraving accurate and factual statements. The rest is about se...
Exactly...
...what I was wondering. Asi, What is defined as a "Base Movement" and a "Module"? Thanks in advance, Johnny Mac
some pics
A clock movement with a back wound key would need a module to become a crown movement....
The Angelus Cal. 240 movements
came in some variations marked by a suffix letter. There were options for regular/alarm, crown/key winding and level of finish. The base movement was identical with added modules for the desired function. You must remember that this was primarily a table/...
Is there a difference...
...in the photos above? The "Angelus" emblem in Sam's photo seems to be a little "rougher" or at least machined deeper versus Anthony's. Plus, the "FIFTEEN" in Sam's photo looks a little "stair-stepped" and Anthony's is "in-line". Maybe its the lighting a...
No
the vintage Angelus 240 used in Panerai watches was not the decorated version and did not state '15 jewels'. Cheers, Asi
In conclusion
These movements were NOS. Panerai purchased them from F. Ferreti. Minor modifications done to them only, these movements are the same as Angelus provided with different modules for their travel clocks, caliber 240. There it is in three sentences! Thanks t...
You're welcome, and just to clarify
These 190 movements were sold by Ferretti in 1996 to pre-V Panerai (OP SPA). Cheers, Asi
57 euro :(
the thing that really bothered me was that those movements were sold for 57 euro EACH ! When i see what they ask for a 203 EVEN at list, I feel robbed Sorry, still love Panerai a Lot but a 57 euro movement in an 17.000 euro (listprice) watch is something ...
The whole is more than the sum of it's parts.
If you start with adding value mate, you'll most likely pass on most of high end watches. Cheers, Asi
Exactly - the whole is valued A LOT more than the sum of the parts
Why is a Picasso or Monet painting millions of dollars? The paint, brushes, and canvas only costs 50 bucks... - AT This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2009-06-13 09:02:02