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New Richard Lange PLM.
So what do we think of the new limited 218-watch edition of the RICHARD LANGE “Pour le Mérite” in white gold with a black dial?
You can see more in the ALS website.
cheers
fernando
Looks good to me....actually I was expecting ALS to come out with....
black dial RL jumping seconds and black dial Saxonia Moonphase next year in SIHH.
Although white gold, it is a good competition to the current Pt RLJS.
Rgds
Raymond
I think it's a looker BUT.....
I am really disappointed with Lange.
They are addicted to limited editions, and shortchanged the people who bought early. This time round they made the price even lower than the rose gold model, for a white gold model! Why would I want to buy new launches next time? Just buy 5 years down the road. Price always come down, newer models always better.
If you don't protect the interests of your collectors, you will destroy your branding. The brand started out strong with very specialised movements for each model. Then they started cannibalising that, and then now they drop price on later models.
Very short sighted.
They are addicted to limited editions, and shortchanged the people who bought early. This time round they made the price even lower than the rose gold model, for a white gold model! Why would I want to buy new launches next time? Just buy 5 years down the road. Price always come down, newer models always better.
If you don't protect the interests of your collectors, you will destroy your branding. The brand started out strong with very specialised movements for each model. Then they started cannibalising that, and then now they drop price on later models.
Very short sighted.
Doesn't the rose gold model have an enamel dial, while the white gold model has a standard dial?
That is a big differentiator, and should affect price--perhaps that is not sufficient in your mind, but they are different watches in at least that important way.
I am torn here.
On the one hand, it is beautiful and the movement is technically brilliant. On the other hand, I agree that this LE dilutes the previous editions' scarcity and exclusivity.
That said, I want, I want, I want....
That said, I want, I want, I want....
Here is the picture.
I am sorry to say that this version has a big issue, which is a no go for me. Its dial is NOT enameled.
While the two other sisters have an enamel dial.
For a watch of this segment, and while the two other versions are enameled, this is a big issue, in my opinion. Too bad, as it would have been a killer, not to say my fav Lange ever!
Best,
Nicolas
Nicolas, I couldn't have said it better, no enamel, means NO to me too
A missed opportunity
Now you have me seriously torn on this.
Like I said, I love it, but also do not appreciate the lack of 'email' dial. But I really want it. Damn this is hard to decide.
Again, I don't see the point of the "enamel" story.
More precisely with a black dial. What do we want? That a dial is an enamel dial because we want an enamel dial for the symbol or a beautiful black dial?
Actually, what we need is to see the Watch in the metal to have a clear point of view about this dial. Maybe yes in that case the enamel dial would have been a better option if the black dial seems disappointing. But for what I recently saw, I trust Lange to release beautiful black dial.
Fx
Actually, what we need is to see the Watch in the metal to have a clear point of view about this dial. Maybe yes in that case the enamel dial would have been a better option if the black dial seems disappointing. But for what I recently saw, I trust Lange to release beautiful black dial.
Fx
The issue is not about enamel or non-enamel
It is about the simple fact that Lange announced the PLM as a limited 200 edition. This approach of trying to come up with variations to "side-step" their promise is going to dent their brand and customer trust.
regds
regds
Yes it is a point I raised in another comment I did in the thread [nt]
No message body
A black enamel dial price will be very high and not good to make 218 pieces.
I remember the most recent black enamel dial was only for Lange 1 20th anniversary with 20pcs.
I like the fact of this black dial PLM but now I'm worried if they do the Pt RLJS in black dial.... but that is what most forum members prefer or comment on this RLJS.
They listen to people's (like us?) feedback but it's hard to please everyone.
Recent strategy (upper management, corporate decision, I guess) is to lower the price point with better stuff, and that is a good thing, to me.
Rgds
Raymond
Raymond
agree..why this enamel obsession ?
Silver more consistent with Lange and lacquered back is fantastic (I assume it would be even better than the 1815 or at least as good). And of course the enamel one was crazily priced.
Christian
Christian
Because the RL PLM is a superlative watch, with enamel dials for the two first LE. Now we have a non enamel sub RL PLM. Sorry, but I don't buy that. [nt]
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I agree but as I said previously...
there was no good option. A black enamel dial: the watch would have become very expensive and not consistent with the two others and the current market. Black enamel is a crazy thing and if you consider that the dial has three layers, it becomes a nightmare. Just have a look at the dial of the Lange One Tourbillon Handwerkskunst. The black "classic" dial and you make it more affordable but you get the problems with the relationships with the previous owners. But what I say is that a black non enamel dial can be fantastic with Lange. The Langematik Perpetual one is for example amazing.
Fx
Fx
They are making this a more affordable watch.
That's in line with the new Saxonias at 37mm; and the Saxonia Moon. I don't see a problem with that, as long as Lange keeps its overall numbers down.
If they wanted to make a .....
More affordable watch, they should not have used the same model as the limited edition version, despite enamel or non-enamel.
Instead, to your point (saxonia) perhaps the regular production model as the RL would have been more appropriate to differentiate a black dial version.
And then even with that in mind there should be a difference to justify the lower price.
Instead, to your point (saxonia) perhaps the regular production model as the RL would have been more appropriate to differentiate a black dial version.
And then even with that in mind there should be a difference to justify the lower price.
Yes but the objective was to make it more affordable than the previous ones
There is no good solution in this context:
- you do one with an enamel dial and people don't understand why a new color pops up years after
- you do one without an enamel dial and at a more affordable price and people complain that it is not enamel and that the price is lower.
Actually, the problem for me is not enamel or not. The black dials from Lange are usually beautiful and I tend in some cases to prefer the non enamel ones. The problem is the price topic for the collectors who purchased one of the first pieces.
It is the reason why it is a complex topic.
Fx
- you do one with an enamel dial and people don't understand why a new color pops up years after
- you do one without an enamel dial and at a more affordable price and people complain that it is not enamel and that the price is lower.
Actually, the problem for me is not enamel or not. The black dials from Lange are usually beautiful and I tend in some cases to prefer the non enamel ones. The problem is the price topic for the collectors who purchased one of the first pieces.
It is the reason why it is a complex topic.
Fx
In response....
- I agree with the people that would not understand it. If you want to do another color, do it in the same limited production run. 100 in rg and 100 in wg....still 200 pieces. But not years after.
- I agree again with the people that complain, it should have been enamel and no price difference. If not enamel, then a different or new model would have been more appropriate.
In my humble opinion, i think what they did with the 200th anniversary of the 1815 model in platinum was along similar lines, as it was limited for 200 pieces. And then 6 months later they came out with the honeygold version.
I can imagine that some people who bought the platinum are not completely happy with that.
However, a big difference here is that the price was the same as the platinum (with a different finished dial).
Having said all of the above, from the pic i do like it with or without enamel.
- I agree again with the people that complain, it should have been enamel and no price difference. If not enamel, then a different or new model would have been more appropriate.
In my humble opinion, i think what they did with the 200th anniversary of the 1815 model in platinum was along similar lines, as it was limited for 200 pieces. And then 6 months later they came out with the honeygold version.
I can imagine that some people who bought the platinum are not completely happy with that.
However, a big difference here is that the price was the same as the platinum (with a different finished dial).
Having said all of the above, from the pic i do like it with or without enamel.
It would have been better if they did all this in a single production run
Ideally Lange could have done a 500 run with say 150 in RG ; 150 in WG ; 125 in HoneyGold 75 in Platinum. Collectors would be happy in the knowledge that there would be nothing more sneaked in later in other disguises.
Case and point is what Patek does. Taking the 5100 example it had a production run limited to 3000. Of this 1500 was YG; 750 RG ; 450 WG and 300 in Platinum. Such an approach would be what Lange ought to consider to be trusted as a brand that sticks to its promises.
regds
narsi
Case and point is what Patek does. Taking the 5100 example it had a production run limited to 3000. Of this 1500 was YG; 750 RG ; 450 WG and 300 in Platinum. Such an approach would be what Lange ought to consider to be trusted as a brand that sticks to its promises.
regds
narsi
I think 500 would be...
Too much but i am saying the same as you are (one single production run) only with lesser number.
One Good thing that can come from this is that Lange does listen to its audience, so perhaps next time this will not happen again.
One Good thing that can come from this is that Lange does listen to its audience, so perhaps next time this will not happen again.
So it was better to not add a third version of what had to be a " one shot " of a prestigious watch. [nt]
No message body
Yes, but it's ok to do a "Re-issue" 20-30 years later when some or most of us are RIP, maybe? [nt]
No message body
The colours, the design, the size and symmetry, the whole
watch is wonderful!
But it is really a shame, that the watch hasn't got an enamel dial!
As for the limitation, I find it always as a manufacturer gag. Because Lange is part of the Richemont Group, I think this decisions come from higher levels and not from the village of Glashütte...
Yours,
Adam
But it is really a shame, that the watch hasn't got an enamel dial!
As for the limitation, I find it always as a manufacturer gag. Because Lange is part of the Richemont Group, I think this decisions come from higher levels and not from the village of Glashütte...
Yours,
Adam
Lange has pulled a bad trick on collectors
By re-launching the PLM which was originally a limited edition of 200, Lange has short changed the collectors that paid for exclusivity. Even though the dial is not enamel, the approach taken by Lange is quite unfair to loyal Lange watch collectors.
I guess this is where Patek scores. Whenever limited editions were announced they have remained so. Classic examples were the Pagoda(whose moulds were destroyed by Patek after the production run); the 5100(10day); 3969(jump hour); 5099R(cabriolet with the flip open case) 3960(officer).
regds
I guess this is where Patek scores. Whenever limited editions were announced they have remained so. Classic examples were the Pagoda(whose moulds were destroyed by Patek after the production run); the 5100(10day); 3969(jump hour); 5099R(cabriolet with the flip open case) 3960(officer).
regds
