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Here it is....and it's for watches not deemed "molested" by 3rd party.
Yes...CR is correct, 1815 Tourbillon PLM is Cat 5...someone an owner told me his got a repair bill of $20+K, so I assumed Cat 6.
Those are the "Service/Overhaul" prices. The "Repair" prices are higher...
... and do not include the additional charges that often occur when a non-Lange watchmaker has been inside the watch. Here are the Repair prices:
Correct my good friend…
I initially ordered the 1815 rattrapante, when released, and a couple of months later just for curiosity sake asked about the service cost and I was told $10-$15K!
Needless to say, I cancelled the order…
Needless to say, I cancelled the order…
Knowing how robust is their watches....because I own some models that were 10yrs without service...
Is this acceptable if only service once in 15 years?
Thanks my good friend, for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks my good friend, for sharing your thoughts.
The 10-15 years is a long time, however to be completely honest very few are worn on daily basis, specially in large collections as yours or sitting in dealers safes…
I wore mines as a daily for months( smaller collection), and none could compare with Patek.
I took them back to Alkis for regulation and I’ve been told “If you want accuracy buy a quartz watch, Lange is not built for that”, nevertheless we like what we like and that’s all good, this is just my experience and Gcd knows I wanted to like Lange so much…
I took them back to Alkis for regulation and I’ve been told “If you want accuracy buy a quartz watch, Lange is not built for that”, nevertheless we like what we like and that’s all good, this is just my experience and Gcd knows I wanted to like Lange so much…
Wow
That is very different from my experience. My Datograph is the most accurate watch I have ever owned except for my modern day Rolex. I have yet to find a watch that beats the accuracy of a modern day Rolex.
Yes, I’m with you on modern Rolex, that’s exactly why I settled for the brand after over a decade of hit and misses.
The question you have to ask yourself when comparing Lange and Patek it as follows:
AreLange moments adjusted to heat, cold and isochronism? No, Patek is, so there is your answer to reliability and accuracy…
I had a Dato myself over a decade ago and it ran near spot on for a couple of months when worn daily, but after that it was eider slow or fast depending on the temperature.
So don’t get me wrong, they’re nice watches with fenomenal finish, but personally I expect a little more for my money than that!
I hope I didn’t offended anyone, that wasn’t my intention, however if I did too bad, this are my own personal field experienceses, and I’m not going to say otherwise.
I wish you long years of enjoyment with your Datograph and off course a great weekend!
AreLange moments adjusted to heat, cold and isochronism? No, Patek is, so there is your answer to reliability and accuracy…
I had a Dato myself over a decade ago and it ran near spot on for a couple of months when worn daily, but after that it was eider slow or fast depending on the temperature.
So don’t get me wrong, they’re nice watches with fenomenal finish, but personally I expect a little more for my money than that!
I hope I didn’t offended anyone, that wasn’t my intention, however if I did too bad, this are my own personal field experienceses, and I’m not going to say otherwise.
I wish you long years of enjoyment with your Datograph and off course a great weekend!
You didn’t offend me at all!
I was just surprised by your experience. Im happy you shared it.
Is it adjusted
Or is it because they use a silicon hairspring? Either way, Patek's dedication to chronometry is quite impressive, however it seems very difficult for their salespeople to convey!
Ouch!!! You did well! We should ask more often that before buying a watch. We do it for cars, why not for watches?
Easy answer, as it seems the typical mass-produced Patek Philippe is extremely easy to repro for just a few hundred Euro.
And the repro's are very, very good. Check them out on YouTube. Best bet is to stick with MB&F, Armin Strom, Czapek, and other brands they can't (easily) copy. THAT is how you know it's a great timepiece with innovation and excellent craftsmanship 
Not easy to reproduce at all.
Easy to mimic, poorly. Even the so-called "super clones" for Rolex are very easily identified as fakes. Sure, they can fool the uneducated consumer. But even for an average watch collector they can be easily outed as fakes.
+100
Especially with the Pateks, the fakes are extremely easy to spot all day. Subs and Royal Oaks, a little trickier as of late (sometimes) but wouldn’t fool most who have been in it a decent amount of time or are educated collectors. I hear what you’re saying but PP makes more than Nautilus watches and people buying them have their guard up. Interesting you picked Armin, if they get more popular they will be in the mix too
Or better still...
Seek a timepiece that is very challenging to repro
MB&F
Czapek
Armin Strom
H. Moser
---- feel free to add to this list in the comments / replies below.
MB&F
Czapek
Armin Strom
H. Moser
---- feel free to add to this list in the comments / replies below.
One view is that Langes would also be counterfeited if consumers cared more about Lange.
Lange is indubitably not a conspicuous consumption piece in the way Nautilus, Aquanaut and Rolex are.
So it's a bit of making a virtue out of a necessity.
But that said, I like that Lange is under the radar. I think it's a strong point in its favor. Only enthusiasts really appreciate the brand.
So it's a bit of making a virtue out of a necessity.
But that said, I like that Lange is under the radar. I think it's a strong point in its favor. Only enthusiasts really appreciate the brand.
This is absolutely true...
However, there are a lot of arguments. And there are many ways to perceive value. At the $30,000 to $50,000 price range, Pateks/Vacherons/APs/Breguets are not usually double assembled. Thus, outside of materials, design, the biggest variable here is man-hours or time it takes to make the watch. That and other technical flourishes that Lange brings to the table, would definitely suggest that Langes do require more man hours per watch. BUT! More time required doesn't always mean that it costs more to make...
I cannot forget to mention this... Watchmakers in Switzerland at the Patek/Vacheron/AP/Breguet level are more highly compensated than those in at Lange Dresden, Germany. Keep in mind, the Swiss Franc is very strong right now (really hurting exports for CHF), and the workers there are more highly compensated than those in East Germany. So, from a cost perspective, Lange timepieces should still be lower in overall costs than their Swiss equivalents simply because Lange does have significantly lower labor costs - and probably lower facilities costs. Tax and accounting laws in Switzerland also are different than in Germany which further complicates the whole matter. Keeping in mind, many of these Swiss brands are in Geneva which is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in. And Dresden is a much less expensive city to live in.
But, from a watch enthusiasts' perspective. As you mentioned. I absolutely agree with you! But just to bring up a counterpoint, not everyone sees it the same way we do.
Thanks for adding your thoughts Patrick.
Of course cheaper in this case (be it labour, overall production costs etc) definitely does not mean inferior. And I know that's not what you are suggesting.
But energy is more expensive in Germany.... ;-) to a point that it sets the other difference off, LOL
Ahh! Yes! Electricity is among the highest in the world in Germany!
Good point! And good joke!
:-)
By the way, Lange started to move a few of their departments to Berlin (only non-technical ones, of course), because it is virtually impossible to move creative people to glashütte (or even dresden) even though i personally would enjoy living in Dresden...