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How is this possible ?
Dear fellow enthusiasts:
Recently russell996 posted 2 Patek 5131 images side by side, which i attach to my post.
I am putting this up as a separate thread, as my post in russell996 can be buried.
One of them had Moscow at +3 GMT which is correct. (LEFT)
The other one had Moscow at +4 GMT which is wrong. (RIGHT)
How can this be possible ?
Am I missing something here ?
Frankly, I did not check for other cities and would not be surprised if there are other mistakes.
Appreciate comments from fellow enthusiasts.
Cheers
Jim
in fact 2 referencies
5131R-001 with Moscow at +4 GMT (first delivery)
5131R-010 with Moscow at +3 GMT (current)
Best,
Patrickh
Could it be this: As of October 2014 Moscow does not observe Daylight Saving Time...
So Refs produced before and after that October 2014 cut-off have different GMT+ alignments?
Correct.
It was set to UTC+3 permanently on 26 October 2014. Before that date it was set to UTC+4
don't think so.
Looks like they have changed over the years.
found a link with some useful info when I googled under "moscow time zone change".
As far as i know
and I may be wrong, Patek Philippe revised the position of Moscow(or should I say corrected it to +3) at Basel 2016. This change also applied to the new world timers 5230 and 5930. The 5131R with Moscow at +4 was produced between Basel 2015 (when the 5131R was introduced) and Basel 2016. Also note that at Basel 2016, Patek had decided to replace certain cities like Riyadh with Dubai, Noumea with Brisbane and Rio with Buenos Aries. I believe there were a few other cities too that names were replaced.
Best wishes,
Sham
This is always an inherent problem with WT's
While I love the aesthetics, and the history, this is always going to be a fatal flaw beyond anyone's control.
Then there's also the problem of countries that do and don't observe DST that makes the WT inherently inaccurate for a good portion of the year.
Still I love the 5110p ;-)
Agreed. Always an issue, so I view every WT watch as more of a romantic piece of interest than a technical piece.
Ultimately, they will all be wrong as countries adjust their time zones.
In fact the time zone for Moscou has changed in the past
The first serie of 5131 had the previous time zone at +4.
After a few years, Moscou changed its Time Zone and Patek corrected with new cities ring in the last 5131R presented for Baselworld 2016. I think they took the opportunity to do so because of the launch of the 5230 and 5930 this year.
You may have a look here and you will see it went up and down a few times: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/russia/moscow
Cheers, Mark
Dial seems out of balance. I my opinion Patek should abbreviate Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo to give the dial more balance.
Maybe while they are at it update the Australian timezones. Then that would be perfection. Till the next time zone change occurs.
This was mentioned on a watchtime magazine article from June 2011 but for Vacheron
it is interesting to see that Patek had the same issue with the change over of timezones.
Think you should done some homework.
Still, nice discussion set going.
There was me looking at the enamel and thinking how different they look.
There was me looking at the enamel and thinking how different they look.
2013 disc change
PP overhauled all of their World Time zone discs indicating new locations, a change that took effect to all World Time watches starting from 2013 (La Paz replaced Caracas, Riyadh replaced Moscow, and Moscow replaced Dubai).
Time for an upgrade...
Perhaps they make the service dials with the new arrangement ?
After all, it's the outer ring only, not affecting the inner artwork.
Cazalea