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The movement of the 5236P looks nice and I like the case shape
I would be a lot more impressed though, if they got rid of all the pusher in the case band.
thanks!
I think this is a welcome addition to the lineup... long overdue.. both the time only and the perpetual... very nice!
Indeed, long overdue -- I'm especially happy we are seeing two new (gold) models of the "new" Calatrava generation! ;-) Cheers.
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Thank you so much TheCollector1688 for opening the thread with these stunning new models on our forum! Done with the online meeting, so I'll keep adding the official material as it comes to this thread for now.
. Enclosed above for Everyone are the official press releases with all details. Cheers 
Thank you for updating the pictures!
Thank you! Thanks for updating the pics as well. Definitely looking forward to seeing these references in person. The 5236P may be slightly large with case diameter of 41.3mm...will need to see on wrist the taper of the lugs.
My pleasure, and thank you for opening this thread! Looking forward to seeing these new models in person too, hopefully I'll be able to on May 21st -- will try to update with live pics! ;-)
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Patek's MSRPs for the five new models....These are already available on Patek's site as well (as usual, there might be a slight difference, e.g. of +/- $2 for the 5236).
U.S pricing:
Patek Philippe Ref. 4947/1A-001 $47,904
Patek Philippe Ref. 4997/200G-001 $36,667
Patek Philippe Ref. 5236P-001 $130,108
Patek Philippe Ref. 6119G-001 $29,570
Patek Philippe Ref. 6119R-001 $29,570
5236 is extremly well proportiened... every is there where it belongs!
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Evolutionary innovation but stunning!
On first glance - the 6119 looks very much like the 2013 Vacheron Constantin Traditionelle Small Seconds, but adds a nice hobnail bezel. I have been eyeing some of these in the past in a grey variant, so to see it similarly configured in PP is interesting. The VC comes slightly thinner but all in all pretty similar in terms of movement specifications. Hence - I think this a meaningful incremental improvement to the 3919 and 5119 and way better looking, but compared to the VC is similar. But it's a PP!!!
As for the 5236P - love the new movement layout and the continuation of a micro rotor (although would have still loved a gold hued rotor). Also a huge fan of the placement of the seconds hand - prefer this over the 5320. Also the "single line" calendar is pretty innovative and probably extraordinarily difficult to execute (it makes sense), I guess I am so used to the old school two window version of day and month, as this is Patek anything that is too different vs historical models is considered revolutionary - and I have a little allergic reaction. Would have loved to see some kind of use of the dial real estate on the right and left of the dial - maybe for a future perpetual calendar chronograph, with an automatic micro rotor? (Mind would be blown then!)
Both are classic, eternal, elegant pieces which no doubt will look great in 100 years. It's innovation Patek style and compared to Rolex and AP, certainly a very deliberate approach that will be successful.
Peter
As for the 5236P - love the new movement layout and the continuation of a micro rotor (although would have still loved a gold hued rotor). Also a huge fan of the placement of the seconds hand - prefer this over the 5320. Also the "single line" calendar is pretty innovative and probably extraordinarily difficult to execute (it makes sense), I guess I am so used to the old school two window version of day and month, as this is Patek anything that is too different vs historical models is considered revolutionary - and I have a little allergic reaction. Would have loved to see some kind of use of the dial real estate on the right and left of the dial - maybe for a future perpetual calendar chronograph, with an automatic micro rotor? (Mind would be blown then!)
Both are classic, eternal, elegant pieces which no doubt will look great in 100 years. It's innovation Patek style and compared to Rolex and AP, certainly a very deliberate approach that will be successful.
Peter
My preference is for the VC 82172 vs. the Patek 6119
I think the VC is more original in design. The VC has the Geneva seal. Subdial is nice. And the dial furniture is not overdone. It looks like the 6119 tried to combine the the VC with some of the older saxonia dial. The ~50% premium for the Patek very richly priced.
Agreed.
The handset on the 6119 is less attractive IMO. I like the dauphine style (I think that is it) on the VC and think that's a better fit with the rest of the dial furniture. Otherwise I think the 6119 is a slam dunk. The hobnailing probably looks great in person or in a display case. I do lose the crosshairs on the sub dial, too. Overall nice release maybe just needs 1 more cycle of tweaks to be a home run.
+1, I believe they got it really right, both in the research and the aesthetics departments! ;-)
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5236 date seems awkward to me, especially the extra gap between the two day digits.
I wonder if they tried sapphire disks or frames to produce a more unified linear triple date. I would assume they tried everything, but the outcome isn't totally satisfying.
Thanks for commenting -- they decided to go for four separate disks for the 5236 date, here's two closeups that I have. Cheers ;-)
Hmmm - not fully convinced.....
Must - as always - see them in the metal. The 6119 seems to be struggling - not knowing what it want's to be. The bezel and the hour-markers gives it (in the pictures at least) a very robust and "masculine" attitude - but at the same time it tries to be elegant. The G pulls it of better than the R. The 5236 is on the large side for me - and the hands I quite frankly finds boring. The 4947 is much better. To judge the combination of the watch and the bracelet it must be seen in the metal - but the size of it is spot on. The ladies watch 4997 on the ather hand is a stunner! But this is only a first opinion from the photos presented.
Well done Patek! ♥️
Love the 6191R!!! From the back, too ♥️
Great Perpetual Calendar, but 39/40 mm would be enough for me...It has to be on the wrist before a final judgement...great anyway!
Good year for PP...maybe sth more to come?
Best
Tempus
Great Perpetual Calendar, but 39/40 mm would be enough for me...It has to be on the wrist before a final judgement...great anyway!
Good year for PP...maybe sth more to come?
Best
Tempus
Agree, the 6119 is indeed what so many were looking for (for quite a while) for the new Calatrava models -- I bet the line will be successful even in gold metals now! ;-) Here's for you a few more pics of the two 6119s:
I love the 6119 movement
Not quite so sure about the dial side. Would prefer it not to have a hobnail bezel. To me, at least, that feature adds a degree of dressiness/fustiness at odds with the athletic straightforwardness of the rest of the watch. Luckily, Patek will use the same movement for a whole range of styles over the coming years.