Patek Philippe

This message has been edited by mr30 on 2008-06-25 19:22:26

5070P!

its in a whole different class than the AP as well as being a lot more wearable IMO.

Tony

the 5070 in gold over the AP any day.

LOL

2 so different watches, my friend...

The PP is a classy, classic, and timeless Chronograph.

The AP is a sporty one,

The answer is obvious....

Best.

Nicolas

 

I like your AP too but the price is completely insane, I even would call it scandalous.

 

Let me explain it. The listprice for the Carbon Alinghi was more or less 22.000 euro, the red gold was about 45.000 euro and the platinum was around 85.000 euro. So exactly the same watch (same movement, same carbon forged bezel, samse rubber strap, same ....) , the ONLY difference is a platinum case ... and therefor you have to pay  60.000 euro extra ?????????????

Guys, 60.000 euro for 100-150 gram platinum ?? the costprice is more or less 3000 eur

I guess your Barichello is comparable. So I would really prefer a titanium piece which is imo already very expensive for what you get

If Patek limits the production of 5070P to say 100 pieces (as it is rumoured so far), I guess the market value of it will be at least twice when it ever sees the daylight on someone else's wrist.

 

Larry

(I have asked this in other AP/PP forum)

For those of you who prefer AP over PP....

could you share with us why?
- better price?
- better design?
- better movement?
- more traditional?
- better image?
- better availability?
- better service from AD?
- other?

I am still trying to find a single reason to buy my first AP.... any help?

p.s.: For your question, I don't think you would love to see my answer

Happy Wis,

We find ourselves in reciprocal positions.  I have limited my purchases almost exclusively to AP in recent years (well, one VC got in there), but haven't been pulled the trigger on a PP yet.  Here's an outline of why, without all the nuance:

1. Integrated bracelets:  For reasons I can't fully explain, the aesthetics and comfort of an integrated bracelet are much more appealing to me than a strap.  Hence, my favorite designs are AP RO, AP ROO, VC Overseas, Bvlgari Diagano, and maybe the new Nautilus series.

2. Size:  Experimentation leads me to conclude that 40-42 mm is the size that works for me with an integrated bracelet, but that 37-41 mm is the rang with a strap.

3. Functionality:  I require a 12-hour chrono at all times, for keeping billing records of services to clients at any hour.  As far as I can tell PP did not supply this function until 5960P, which I ordered the day of first news leak (and am still awaiting).

4. Design: I love the octagon, the angulariy, the straight lines, the modern and industrial design aspects, and the more brushed than polished finish of the RO and ROO series, while Pateks other than the Nautilus have what to me seem too many arbitrary curves and  rounded , polished surfaces. 

5. Attitude, associations, image, advertising, hype, etc.:  AP's appealing aspects (to me) include audacity, urbanity, and freshness; PP's unappealing aspects (to me) include old-fashioned styling and visible traditionalism.  These are true even in the catalogs, packaging, and boutique furnishings.

Some models of each brand have reached price points that should discourage the rational buyer.

My choices among APs have narrowed to those with white metals; no colors other than white, black, grey, and blue; and no associations to sports or other fleeting events.  My favorite PPs are 5960P, 5980, and, should I ever be able to go without a 12-hour chrono, 5070P and 5196G.  I'd like the 5960P and 5980 even better and would have bought them by now if the minute totalizer were one hour per rotation eliminating the need for red markings and if they were available to me at MSRP.

Park

 

 

 

 

just wondering... would there be any change in your mind if AP does not have RO/ROO?

Happy Wis,

Yes, indeed.  If RO and ROO did not exist, I'd own VC Overseas Chrono and my wish list of PPs, and I'd learn to live with a strap.

Park

I prefer the look of the ap, but the 5070 with its Lemania movement
is much more collectible.
Eric von Schonberg

This is really not a fair comparison at all. The only thing they have in common is the price. I don't own a 5070P or a PT RB2, but I do have a 5070R and a rose RB2 and I can tell you the RB2 gets worn 20 times more than the 5070. The Patek is beautiful, but IMHO the RB2 is stunning. It just takes my breath away. I am hoping to get a 5070P for my new born son as his first watch. I think by the time he is old enough to enjoy the it the beauty of the watch will still be in style, and the case is the perfect size being big but not clock on your wrist big.

As to the price of these watches, lets just say they are both extremely expensive and only the owner can decide whether they are worth the dough. There is no rational way to justify the prices of these watches as both are pretty simple chronographs, so they are selling emotion and doing a damn good job at that. For me the RB2 makes my heart race and the 5070 does not.

Go with what you love. If its possible get both. If you intend on eventually getting both get the 5070P first because I think it will be harder to get down the road

i already have the Prb2. that is my pic above

The Journe is a million times nicer (albeit twice as expensive, or more); I'd say wait for the Journe Centigraph

BB

The Goal is Soul

I think that your AP watch does not come close to a 5070 - sorry!

There is something special about the 5070P, and not because it is in platinum. 

if you're happy with your barrichello platinum, then that is the watch for you.

Bob

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rejected both because I am not willing to pay premium for them.

However, if I can get either one of them for retail price, I will choose 5070.

 

Regards

Ling

 

I love 'blue' features in watches, especially in Panerai's;  but the blue dial of the Platinum AP, combined with the blue croc strap, is just too much color...too hard to combine well with clothes, and certainly not worthy looking for its price.  IMHO, this is the least desirable of the three RB's , and I would certainly not pay 2x more than a RB ti for an inferior combination.

I like the esthetics of the Patek, but I find myself wondering why such 'excitement,' considering it's price, especially for a watch that is not a full chrono - I have minimal use for keeping time up to 60 minute max.

regards,

palmasea

 

PP is the icon for the platinum watch , while AP is better known with its RG... In the long run I can see 5070p will be a better to keep.. If you can get 5070p with pricelist think u must be very lucky and no doubt just grab it...

first , then the AP.