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Question about vintage dials

 
 By: veblen_goods : March 28th, 2012-07:46

Hello folks,

Long time reader, but first time poster. I wanted to ask a question regarding an odd detail that I have been curious about.

I noticed while looking at some images of vintage Patek watches from the pre-1960's range, that they seem to have what appears to be raised dial print. However, it seems as though not all dials carry this characteristic trait. In fact, a relative of mine has a Calatrava that is ca.1940's, I think(?) that I don't seem to recall having raised print. I could be mistaken as I've not seen her or the watch in a year or so, but  will have a closer look when I visit her in the next few months.

So, my question is- Could a dial without the raised print be a re-dial? Or were there dials from this era that lacked the raised print? I don't think it would matter to her either way, but is really for my knowledge for curiosities' sake.

Thank you kindly!

RT

 

Question about vintage dials

 
 By: Roni M : March 28th, 2012-09:09
Dials all differed from reference to reference with vintage Pateks and indeed some are "raised" whilst others were not...the difference being in the manufacturing process of the dial itself.

Obviously the raised ones were particular to certain references (and time period) as mentioned so it helps to know which were supposed to be raised and notin order  to tell a printed redial.

Generally the raised were from the early 1950's  to the mid-60s...I.m not sure after that as I don't collect ones from after that and have not had the opportunity to handle those.

hope it helps,

Roni

Yes

 
 By: Timertom : March 28th, 2012-11:41
Yes,
Vintage Patek do come with dials carrying varying signatures. Some reference numbers came with raised signatures, while others came without this. 
Regards,
Rishad 

Here's some info....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 28th, 2012-11:46
Hi,
I somehow feel it's a bit poor style to quote myself, but  in this case I'm just a bit lazy smile

You should find some info in this older post here:



Best regards
Suitbert

A wonderfully educative post! Thanks. [nt]

 
 By: Roni M : March 28th, 2012-11:51
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Thank you Roni, rishad and Suitbert!

 
 By: veblen_goods : March 28th, 2012-14:13

Suitbert's image in his link is indeed a perfect example of the raised text I had observed. Seems to be a rather interesting process involved with production of that dial based on his description; an art form all it's own.

So, based on what I can surmise from this educational thread, it sounds like some references have that dial characteristic and some don't (and if they don't, it doesn't necessarily mean it's anything to be alarmed about).

Thank you for taking the time to help me understand! I've learned something new today!

Best regards,

RT

 

Vintage Dials

 
 By: tom wright : March 29th, 2012-10:16

Vedlen,

I own a ref 96 from 1932 which has raised text on the dial and  is produced by a process called CHAMPLEVE

which is a form of enameling derived from the french and pronounced  sham-pluh-vay.

 

Would love to see a picture!Thanks [nt]

 
 By: Roni M : March 29th, 2012-12:13
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