Patek Philippe

Could it be so that Pateks are not selling like they used to do? It seems that many watches that were difficult to obtain are now more or less readily available. There is still recession in most of the western world and Patek has been increasing their production nearly as rapidly as their prices.

Best, Kari

wear it in good health!

However, there are some niggles. The hands do look very ordinary.  For such a watch, I would have hoped for something more elegant. Also, the pushers are not polished and are also very square. For my personal taste, I think polished and rounded would have worked better. To my eye, the pushers looked odd....though nobody I was with thought so.......

No doubt that this watch will be successful. However, and I know we have discussed this exact issue, for me I would take the 5070G over the 5170G every time.  I know that there are all the arguments why the 5170g is the more desirable watch. I know if you did a tick-box, the 5170g would out point the 5070g, but I see the former model as the king. A bit like Sugar Ray vrs Tommy Hearns. 

5070 is the Sugar Ray. 

When Rolex made the Paul Newman dial variation for its Daytona, it eventually made the watch iconic. To a Rolex collector, teh PN Daytona has something very special about it. The 5070 is the Patek Paul Newman. 

I am waiting for 5170P. The movement of 5170 is simply great and perhaps the future P-version will have even more personality than G.

Best, Kari

As for the hands its a major point for me. Taken of the context they are ordinary, but in that dial they strangely seem like the right choice.

Comparing to the hands of the 5070 is hard as they feel like a drop of gold that was suddenly frozen as it was falling Maybe the nicest hands IMO.

Now about our debate about when we have already the sweetest of all sugar ray's which is the 5070P.... What would be THE choice to pair it with ? another 5070G or the 5170G?

Well for me, no doubt (maybe because i have the 5270G) in my mind, when building a collection, the 5170G makes more sense than adding another 5070. 

1st i think it look gorgeous, it has the best of both world, the vintage look with a hint to the 1436 and modern for the fantastic movement and great finishing of the case.

2nd, i like wearing all my watches without exceptions. I realized that when i had the same model with 2 different metals, 9 out of 10 times i always choose the same one to strap it on. Now that's just me

You see, Hearns was outpointing Sugar Ray according to every single judge. It took a KO to win this fight...it was the only way it would happen. And this is exactly the same analogy with the 5070s vrs 5170s.....the latter outpoint on virtually all levels...except the most important. The K.O. 

Now, to use your logic, when you had the same model with 2 different metals, 90% of the time you chose the same watch. Now, if i had a 5070P and a 5070G, I would always select the first to wear. In fact, I did have both and sold the latter precisely because of the logic you explained. However, if I had a 5070P and a 5170G, I would only wear the former too. SO, lets even the fight with me owning the 5070G and the 5170G.....i would only ever wear the 5070G. Now, for someone with a 5070P, would they buy 5070G or 5170G?

Fricks...I like the fact that when we exchange, we do so with total honesty. This way, I know not to try to hook you into a steel Explorer 1!!! At the same time, I have to say, I think the 5070 totally and utterly KOs the 5170. That is not to say that the 5170G is not a great watch...Tommy Hearns was a great fighter.

But he was no Sugar Ray Leonard. 

Now let me just trigger on that 5170G!! Don't give me second thoughts plsssss

Then we'll pick up the fight again... i'll be more serein

I think the reason why the new models where out so soon is because the old stok is not moving. Hence Patek decided a while back , to allocate their product capacity for the new models much earlier. Make sense to me. 

But it show patek is not doing as well as before. I also see the change in attitude w their approach to customer. More friendly and no more " YOU ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THIS PCS " sales pitch.

Best

Iceman

Don't really care, actually i see it as a brainwash they seem to have, and they hit us with that phrase instinctively.

But if you ask me, its not about old stock not moving, but more about that this new collection is just about releasing same models with new metals or dials. Also they cannot put them in the market in 2014 while the big unleash of candies will be next year for their 175th anniversary.

Smart move, that's it