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Patek Philippe

The numbers...

 
 By: Esharp : March 24th, 2014-16:16
Interesting, thanks!

So if they did 1.1 billion CHF in sales and sold 55,000 watches, that's 20,000 CHF per watch on average (and assumes no income from other activities such as servicing), right? Hmmm... Does that make sense? I would have thought it would be higher!
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Why not?

 
 By: secretlife : March 24th, 2014-19:44
Sounds about right. The bulk of those 55,000 watches will probably come from the lower end of the range, ladies' quartz watches etc. Also, bear in mind that they sell to ADs at wholesale and not retail...
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All true!

 
 By: Esharp : March 25th, 2014-09:38
Fair points - thanks.
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More news

 
 By: drphileasfogg : March 25th, 2014-06:42

Today, the same newspaper published some follow-ups; officials from Geneva canton are refusing to answer.  It turns out that in Geneva canton, if you own your business like the Stern, you have to pay an annual tax of 1% of the value of the company (estimate to be above 4.4 billion CHF in the earlier article). This is unique to Geneva canton; I guess that can be pretty upsetting.

Frankly, having Geneva under Patek Philippe helps marketing so I don’t think they will leave anytime soon but on the other hand, so much of the production activities are already delocalised that in the end what matters is internal expertise and quality of the final product.

(Extract from the article in French: « Cette ponction sur l’outil de travail, calculée sur la valeur vénale de l’entreprise (soit le prix théorique qu’un tiers serait prêt à payer pour acquérir la société), s’élève à 1% à Genève. Elle peut a priori paraître faible. Elle est cependant près de dix fois inférieure à Schwyz ou d’un tiers en moins à Zoug. De plus, si une société ne dégage que peu de revenus durant trente ans, c’est un tiers du patrimoine de l’entrepreneur qui disparaît à jamais, détaille Xavier Oberson. L’impôt devient aussi absurde quand il pousse les entrepreneurs à vendre leur société, selon l’avocat. »)

Best,

Stan

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I guess PP can find a way to separate main value&activities from the Geneva based company

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 25th, 2014-12:41
The holding could be elsewhere in Switzerland, with just an asssembling factory in Geneva.

But I understand this is an important issue for PP.
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It doesn't really matter...

 
 By: Fricks : March 25th, 2014-13:21
.... as long as they make nice watches, if they move somewhere in another canton in switzerland, who cares.

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I can understand the tax burden and am

 
 By: whit : March 25th, 2014-15:27
hopeful this interview was meant to send a message to the tax masters in Geneva that it may be prudent to step back and re-think their tax policy or they may just find themselves losing others besides Patek.  

Of course the past twenty years has enriched the company to a level that this is now amounting to some pretty serious money to shell out just to be in Geneva.

It would be a pity for Geneva to lose Patek and likewise for Patek to re-locate elsewhere in Switzerland. 175 years is, and should be, a pretty meaningful number to both. But, get money involved and sometimes common sense seems to make no sense at the end of the day.

Patek needs to be in Geneva just as the US distributor needs to be in New York, not in Lizard Lick, NC. I'm sure HSWA could do what they do in New York as easily as Lizard Lick but New York is the showplace and where they should be, in spite of any tax savings, just as Geneva is the showplace and where Patek belongs. 

Hopefully, there is some common ground to be found which is reasonable and satisfactory to both.

  
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Plenty of space here in Canary Wharf, London! [nt]

 
 By: Puffy : March 26th, 2014-06:19
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