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Overwinding or under winding was not the issue here. The watch would wind great and would go for 40-50 hours. Cal. 324 in those watches does have the overwind protection. One can in fact hear the main spring slips inside the main spring barrel if you overwind it, same way it does in most automatic movements. The dynometric crown feature does indeed come in 5170 or similar manuals, but not needed in automatics since they are all protected from it (for the same reason on the wrist those watches can't overwind).
Sticking date on my 5127R
Sadly my 5127R has developed the sticking date issue. The watch just turned 2 years (warranty expired 2 months ago since I purchased it from an AD). However, I have worn the watch only occasionally. Very frustrating. Anyone else with this experience?
I had the same with my Aquanaut 5167...
About three years after the purchase. So the warranty had expired and it cost me 1000euro+ to repair.
However, the movement is not the same, so it may just be a coincidence.
Frustrating, though.
However, the movement is not the same, so it may just be a coincidence.
Frustrating, though.
sorry to read this...
...hardly believe that PP didn't handle this simple date function in this rather new watch...if it is occasionally worn in careful manner.
hope you could get positive solution from PP soon.
That's really sad..
& much as I admire their watches, legacy & the brand; why does PP insist on continuing with a non hacking watch...
Mally
If.....
......it is only two months out of warranty, I am sure there will be a goodwill gesture made. Sorry to hear this.
Ahi ahi ahi!!!
I had a terrible experience 15 years ago with a 5004P.
2 seriuos technical problems at the split!!
2 times to Geneva!!
No money problems, PP repaired it twice free and Mr. Stern each time gifted me a PP book for excuses, but I waited 2 TIMES 2 YEARS!!!
Pateks are in my opinion the top and best watches, but it seem that these problems happen too frequently.
Anyway... good luck, I understand your disappointment!
Thank you all...
for you encouraging responses. I really needed them now!
I would like to ask those who did have this issue, whether it would happen again after the watch was fixed? Is that a problem with 324 movement that remains or it is just a quality control issue?
I will be sending mine of to Patek USA tomorrow and will let you know how long it will take to fix the issue and how they will handle it. And of course I do agree after 15 years of watch collecting that Patek is the top brand that gives me most pleasure from wearing and collecting it. It is truly special and that is also one of the main reasons why I am upset by this 5127 issue. However, I hope it is a small glitch which can happen to all mechanical watches and once it is fixed, I will forget about this.
Really sorry for you
I can understand your frustration.
I really believe this is bad luck, never heard of anything like this.
Yes keep us posted of the outcome how PP handles the situation for you.
Bon courage my friend.
Mike
Try this simple test then send it for repair...
After reading your comments that you wear the watch occasionally, I would suspect that this problem may be due to insufficient power held by the mainspring during the date change period.
I suggest that you wind the watch, then force the date to move using the crown. It should settle to its proper location.
Then wear the watch for the next 24-48 hrs to see what happens.
If the date change problem happens again when the watch is fully wound, then I will send it to repair.
Best of luck.
Jim
unfortunately the watch is fully wound...
Hi guys, thanks for trying to help! Unfortunately, the watch was fully wound. I always give it 40 turns before putting it on (I know Patek recommends 10 but Rolex recommends 40 with the same power reserve of 45-48h). It depends of course in the size of the spring barrel but I wind my watches until I hear the click of the main spring sliding through when the watch is fully wound, which is normal. Furthermore, this happened when I was wearing the watch for several days already. It is going back to Patek today. I will let you know how they handle it.
For what it's worth...
I do not believe there should be any limit on how many times you need to wind the movement (even if Patek say 10 times), as that click indicates you're protected against over-winding.
One should be able to take a watch from a drawer, wind it to full spring tension, and wear it. It's in fact better to wear it at full-tension to guarantee linear power-delivery to the gear-train etc. I'm not an expert on regulation aspects but my understanding is that as the total power reserve drops, the power received by the gear train may not be entirely linear (optimal).
So your winding habits are quite ok, and I do the same to my pieces. Not worn my 5127 in months, I really need to give it an outing. Sometime soon I hope!
Good luck in getting this sorted.
Best, M.
Thanks Mike
for the note. I am surprised you don't wear your 5127 more often. Probably the larger 5146 is in the way
I will let you guys know how it all works out.
I will let you guys know how it all works out.The watch is currently with Patek.
Update from Stern Agency NY
Hi guys,
Wanted to update you. I sent my watch to Henri Stern Agency in NY. I received the confirmation by mail in 2 days that my watch safely arrived and I will be contacted asap, once it has been evaluated. I was contacted today (in 3 more days), that Patek will do a complete service of my watch. It usually takes 21 weeks but they will do it in 10 weeks, shortest time possible. Also, even though my watch is 3 months out of the warranty, they will not charge me for it.
Kudos to Patek! I am very pleased to say the least! They really do take wonderful care of us collectors, their customers. I feel relieved now. It feel great to collect the brand which is not only making the most pleasing to the eye and most complicated watches in the world, but also provides the best customer service that's out there.
Thank you all for your support and thank you Patek!
The 10 week wait begins...
what happened to the sticking date ?
Hi, my Calatrava 5153J with the 324 movement has the sticking date, will be going for service as it's still under warranty, was wondering if the original forum poster's repair was completed, how long it took, and if the sticking date issue is cured or still happens ? thanks,
All is fixed! Great job from Patek
Got my watch back in less than 9 weeks. It's all fixed and running perfectly. Very happy with the service. My watch was out of warranty but Patek fixed it free of charge and gave it complete service. Very happy with everything.
great to hear it's fixed running well !
nice to hear that fix didn't take forever and they honored the warranty past expiry! any way of knowing what was the issue causing the sticking date ?
re
I was only told that the watch needed complete service. It looks like this is the answer that most of us got when this happened. Someone here said he has the reason but never told me what it was.
Happy for you!
The people up at Henri Stern are very nice and I'm pleased to hear they are going to take care of the issue. Though we want and expect our timepieces to run perfectly
from time to time there are issues with them.
from time to time there are issues with them.
Several points
PP uses a very fine oil but thin oil which tends to dry quicker than oils used by other brands. Regular wearing helps prevents sticking problems. These watches are meant to be worn, perhaps more so than others. Periodically putting the watch on a winder would help but be sure it rotates count clock wise.
Winding these watches 40 times is really not good for the movement. PP in fact suggests 8 winds. Over winding automatic movements can strip gears sometimes to where the watch will not wind in any way. Automatic watches, due to the internal clutch which prevents over winding the watch automatically, are not meant to be manually wound. In fact some makers are proud of their new innovative movements which allow for both manual or automatic winding regularly.
This reference does not have a dynometric crown so it can overwound manually. I know the dynometric crown as is on the 5170 is only on manual wind watches.
It may be me but PP did the right thing here right out of the box. I have had issues with my watches. I call PP and send the watch off to them if needed. I would not go public on such matters until and unless you feel you are not treated right by PP.
Re let me clarify
Let me clarify here that my watch was only 1 month past the 2 year warranty so it was not really that old. Also, my AD ordered a brand new one for me when I got it (it was double sealed).
I don't know if the sticking date issue has to do with dried out oil, but I do wear this watch frequently. May be it was not oiled correctly during initial assembly. Of course most of us here have several watches and we don't therefore wear them every single day. I have the same 324 calibre annual calendar and another one with calibre 240, which I wear less often than my 5127 and those have no issue at all. Patek is an incredible brand and deserves the most respect from us collectors but this forum is also meant to share information about the watches that we are passionate about. If I do have any odd problem with my watch which none else ever mentioned, I agree that there is no need to go public about it, but if the same issue is reported in the same movement dozens of times, I think it is good that we share this, so that Patek can address this issue. Afterall, we want these watches to be flawless. With that said, I do consider this issue being minor and it happens with all the brands (I had this happen to my Rolexes twice in fact). Patek resolved this in a great way and I am very pleased. Finally, they make the most diverse number of complicated movements and watch cases in the world and an issue like that is not an issue when it gets fixed and never happens again. Just my opinion.
sticking date fixed in 6 weeks
the sticking date on the caliber 324 SC on my 5153 was repaired under warranty and back in 6 weeks! A step in the right direction for Patek. Seems like they may be prioritizing warranty work these days. Just got it back yesterday, but running about 5 seconds too slow per day, before sending for service was near perfect at less than 1 second fast daily.. hoping this may correct itself with use and wrist time , perhaps they put in newer lubricants that need to break in ? has anybody noticed that getting a watch back from service needed some 'break in' time ?