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Took a look at the Nikon Z7

By: cshimokita : September 18th, 2018-15:44

While not available in stores here until the end of September, the local had one on display and I spent a few minutes working with the new mirror-less full frame kit. Then for fun I tested it with a non-cpu manual focus 28mm Ai S in aperture mode.

You can read all the specs online if interested... but my first tactual impression is as of a small dSLR with lots of buttons... lots of buttons.

I tested the kit with the 24-70 Z mount lens (and the aforementioned 28mm Ai S using the adapter). The Z7 kit with body, lens, and adapter lists for Yen 534,600 (just under USD 5,000) so it's not inexpensive.

The Nikon Z6 will be released later at a lower price point & "less features"...

If you have any interest my suggestion (as always) is to take all comments with a grain of salt and try to get hands on...

Casey

I saw this review....

By: AuHavrePro : September 18th, 2018-15:48

Thanks for the link...

By: cshimokita : September 18th, 2018-16:43

I tend to agree with them that the camera does invoke emotion... and the video content seemed to be more about "their review" than the actual camera... anyway a sample of different reviews / comments out there... are you interested and will you take a look for yourself ; ) Casey

:) occasion permitting,

By: AuHavrePro : September 18th, 2018-17:58

absolutely. It would be interesting to compare with my brother's Sony 7RII. Cheers, Filip

I’m not sure a see the point of a smaller mirror less body with a huge lens

By: descartes1 : September 18th, 2018-18:19

I would like to see a small, compact Nikon body with a small but powerful lens, a la what Leica produces. I love my D800 but at times really wish I had something smaller, lighter and more discrete.

Get a micro 4/3? [nt]

By: jomni1 : September 18th, 2018-18:46

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Can’t give up full frame sensor for many reasons

By: descartes1 : September 19th, 2018-06:50

This is what’s so appealing about the Z7 in my book. Same with the M.cameras. Would just like to see smaller lenses for the Nikon. However, I’m reading that the Z7 may be able to shoot M lenses with adapter to be produced.

Well in theory...

By: cshimokita : September 19th, 2018-14:05

Leica M to Nikon F mount adapters exist, Nikon F to Nikon Z mount adapter exists... Ergo Leica M to Nikon Z mount should be possible, but so far I can't find anything in production... maybe it's a matter of timing ; ) Casey

My understand is that the architecture of this new Z camera is well suited to adapt the M to it. [nt]

By: descartes1 : September 19th, 2018-16:20

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My understanding as well....

By: cshimokita : September 19th, 2018-16:32

[nt]

The Z7 with kit lens handled very nicely...

By: cshimokita : September 19th, 2018-00:03

Not too heavy, and still big enough that the fingers were not jammed up. I am guessing the Z lenses are mostly plastic, but even with the Z to F adapter and the (built like a brick) manual focus 'Ai 28 S' it still rode easy. I am not a big fan of overly small cameras (personal choice). Maybe the 493 focus points or 4K video... I am guessing that the 'additional' features might be the selling point, but I am keeping an open mind. Casey

This might be a perfect camera for me if the 50 1.2 sits well on it and is Leica-style compact.

By: descartes1 : September 19th, 2018-05:37

I’m also interested to know what the battery grip will look like.

current and planned lenses in Z-mount, size, & grip

By: cshimokita : September 19th, 2018-06:13

2018: 35mm f1.8 S, 50mm f1.8 S, and 24-70 f4 S

2019: 58mm f0.95 Noct, 20mm f1.8, 85mm f1.8, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8, and 14-30 f4

2020: 50mm f1.2, 24mm f1.8, and 14-24 f2.8

The body is 134 x 100.5 x 67.5 (W x H x D)

Thanks Casey for the review

By: xplorer2 : September 18th, 2018-19:38

I think we are seeing more contenders coming on to the mirrorless bandwagon now with Nikon and Canon throwing their hats into the ring as well. While this has been in a sense pushed by Sony with their A series bodies, there is now alot more options for photographers to choose from which I personally think its a good thing.

Personally, I was fortunate to be able to try out the Fuji XT3 prior to its general release later this month and I have got to say that I am very impressed by it. To me the form factor and the controls on the camera for the way I shoot which is in full manual mode goes very nicely with me. At least the key controls of ISO, Shutter Speed and Aperture settings have to be able to direct control it by physical knobs and not buried under some menus settings. Having said that I am not overly hung up for full frame. As going full frame, means the lenses get bigger generally as well. To me more importantly, is that there is no AA filter to degrade the image and the sensor processing output for the final images that matters most. I have shot with a lot of cameras ranging from Canon professional gear, medium formats and Leica rangefinders and I find that I really really like the color rendition for the Fuji and their lenses like the 56mm f1.2 APD are among the very best I have come across - Leica lenses included. And the moot point is that the Fuji XT has a Leica-M mount adaptor that accepts my Leica M-mount to be used on the Fuji XT3. The Fuji Leica M adaptor is actually intelligent with firmware to help correct potential distortions and vignettes when paired with Leica glasses.

Casey, must apologise to you for sharing this and in no way do I meant to disrespect or hijack this thread. Just sharing my thoughts on the mirrorless gear coming out based on how I shoot and the gear I work with. I have no associations with Fuji nor should this been seen as trying to push the product in anyway.

Jeff

options are good...

By: cshimokita : September 19th, 2018-00:15

The Df at around USD 2,000 less (Df body vs. Z7 body + adapter) looks like a bargain if you are just trying to shoot stills with Nikon legacy lenses. Thanks for the comments on the Fuji XT3... at the moment I don't shoot professionally so much of my interest is... just because I am interested ; )

One complaint about the Z6/7 from professional shooters is that there is only one card slot... YMMV. The Z6 is about USD 1,500 less than the Z7 (body only) - I haven't compared the specs.

I will take a closer look at the XT3.

Casey

Thanks, Casey. [nt]

By: amanico : September 18th, 2018-23:59

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How do you feel

By: Quan : September 23rd, 2018-22:07

with all "huge" lenses for Z series, coming is EOS-R also huge

Thanks Casey

Yes the native Z mount lenses (only 3 at the moment) tend to be big...

By: cshimokita : September 23rd, 2018-23:18

and the overall feel is as if a small (not tiny) dSLR. The mount is great for adapters and we should see more than a few in the coming months. The Z7 doesn't slot in with my current requirements but I am still very interested to see output results from early next month...
Casey