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To explain this attraction with the famous 'Cha Do' (way of the tea) master Rikyo's philosophy and with Wabi, which is a Zen concept and which was initially adopted from the Chinese Tao philosophy, is a bit far away from reality.
But never the less, if it is a way to understand better what makes the appeal of a truly authentic vintage watch:
Right side got lost some Wabi at the dial by cleaning and destruction caused by this action.
The recommendation for the aficionado: The ideal would be the most little and most authentic changed (serviced), natural (not to much) wear.
Brushed up and over-polished is intrusive and ugly, because simply not appropriate. The aficionado could very well anticipate the original aging.
Results for Vacheron Constantin vintage Watches @ Phillips The Geneva Watch Auction: NINE 11-12 May 2019
Aged to perfection? .. ! - Sunday Reader
"...The concept that collectors prize originality over restoration is one of the things that many people find most surprising about collecting vintage watches..."
Interesting article for understanding patina for dedicated vintage aficionados at christie's
Listen also to Wei Koh's statement about patina and ageing in beauty.
The recommendation for the aficionado:
Understanding vintage means understanding the beauty of aging with grace. That's certainly not an easy taste, not easy to appreciate, you have to learn it - that will need some time.
Maybe start with something easy, look at Vacheron Constantin Les Collectionneurs.
I agree..
I think this is similar in some ways to the concept of wabi-sabi. Sometimes it takes decades for a watch (and a watch lover) to reach maturity.
Some more to read ...
For me it is a fact you could easily observe, that aged subjects could gain additional beauty. But not any aged watch is desirable, this is misunderstood very often.
But never the less, if it is a way to understand better what makes the appeal of a truly authentic vintage watch:
'... In our Western culture, we often prefer the new, the clean. Even if a very small number of us have a passion for antiques, most of us will unconsciously proceed to polish an old bronze to make it shiny again, or clean a dial or polish a watch case, many times completely overdoing it...' True beauty is imperfect
'... Just like our clothes becomes more a part of us each time we wear them, so it is with our watches. The bumps and bruises they pick up over time become a record of our lives. Sort of like the lines on our faces as we age. That is what makes them, and us, unique. We may long for youth, for unmarred beauty -- but the imperfections add a quality of shibusa, or bitterness, that looked at the right way is paradoxically sweet...' Wabi and watches
Wabi competition
Left side got lost some Wabi by exchanging crown (not original spare part), seconds hand (not original spare part), retaining it well with naturally oxided silvered guillauché dial, case and the rest unrestored.
Right side got lost some Wabi at the dial by cleaning and destruction caused by this action.
The recommendation for the aficionado: The ideal would be the most little and most authentic changed (serviced), natural (not to much) wear.
Brushed up and over-polished is intrusive and ugly, because simply not appropriate. The aficionado could very well anticipate the original aging.
Wabi, Sabi, Wasabi
Well my Wabi interpretation is certainly as wrong as it could get. What I'm actually looking for is more like, aged with grace.
And not to forget, there are Western approaches to this topic as well, I guess even more suitable ones.
Aficinados may also think about the anglophile "...old money look..", or the more italophile think about "sprezzatura" both well known principles, "sprezzatura" you can easily trace back to the Italian renaissance.
Wabi competition II
Vacheron & Constantin - ref 4659
'The Crab' in quite rare condition featuring a fantastic dial
@ Phillips Watches (on the left side)
The same reference with quite much Wabi on the right side.
The heavy oxidation would make it less wearable for many aficionados.
'The Crab' in quite rare condition featuring a fantastic dial
@ Phillips Watches (on the left side)
The same reference with quite much Wabi on the right side.
The heavy oxidation would make it less wearable for many aficionados.
hi timeset
The watch on the right will appear at the auction next month at antiquorum. You have a huge amount of informations. They are really surprised and envied.
Thank you for the info
Antiquorum interesting up to impressive (Cloisonné) on the first sight.
Did you see the Guilloché and two-tone on auction at Phillips The Geneva Watch Auction X.
As always veteran watch expert Alex Ghotbi shows a most impressive V&C selection - congratulations - a feast for the eyes and the in-deep inspection.
Maybe we need an auction alert Antiquorum & Phillips
Cloisonné, beautiful and rare
but it's too expensive. I still want you return to the discussion about ref.4724.
You do not listen
You do not follow the thoughts and reason and therefore your understanding is little.
It does not make sens for me to talk further.
It does not make sens for me to talk further.
have a good day
I just expressed my attitude, my thoughts and judgments maybe not correct, and now I have realized it. But I think it's a public forum where you can reasonably express your opinions, even if they are wrong. Only in constant communication and learning can we find our own shortcomings, continue to work hard and improve.
I understand your commitment because of your purchase
But I'm not in if the discussion is too subjective.
If you want to woo a watch, than use instagram or whatever - plenty of audience.
If you want to woo a watch, than use instagram or whatever - plenty of audience.
I will be happy to join in the discussion and study
If you start a new topic: auction alert anti quorum & Phillips。
For those don't made the winning bid in Geneva
Appealing and enlightening article about the work Vacheron Constantin Les Collectionneurs:
"... Perhaps the thing that impresses the most, when inspecting all of these watches under a loupe, is the sheer quality of the pieces on offer. It’s easy to feel slightly jaded by the relatively mass produced pieces that make up the majority of the watch industry today, so to handle something that was truly handmade is worth taking some time to absorb... " blackbird-watchmanual.com
Excellent concept. Superb article, too. Thanks for sharing the link, timeset. [nt]
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