Omega

i've recently become interested in getting a white dialled speedmaster as i dont have any properly white dialled watches and either a panda or full white dial speedmaster would suit me well. this has made me look at the 'Speedmaster reduced automatic' with the same subdial lay out as a moonwatch (tri compax). it is much my preferred model as the other reduced auto model has a Valjoux 7750 inside and i have plenty of those.

i've not found out too much about the movement other than its an ETA base calibre with a chrono module on top giving a total of 45 jewels.

the thing i have noticed about the tri compax layout is something we dont normally look at and thats the position of the constant seconds subdial. on this movement the constant seconds are at 3 oclock. now that is EXTREMELY UNUSUAL. i dont recall another Omega with that layout that has the seconds at 3 oclock and i cant recall any other brand that has the second at 3. every chrono i've seen seems to have the seconds at 9 oclock.

firstly, am i right and is this an anomaly found only in this movement and secondly, why is this movement different.

i'd be very interested to see some other examples of tri compax dials with seconds at 3.

(Bill if you feel this should be moved to the home page so everyone can join in feel free to do so.)

watch this space, i havent found a white dial reduced yet, but i'm looking.

best

Graham

. . . also have constant seconds at 3, Graham.  There must be others . . . 

. . . was designed and is made in house, but the chronograph module, interestingly enough, is outsourced from Dubois Dépraz in Switzerland.  The cal 39 chrono is the only G O movement that isn't totally made in house.

. . . with the module used in the Speedmaster reduced . . . 

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...and it also provided me the opportunity to post a picture of my dynamic (though the post went wayward on my original edit )

My Mille Miglia has the seconds at 3.

Must be a feature of D-D chrono modules.

have the sub seconds at 3 and is a DD chrono module on top of Eta base. However we cannot conclude that all chronos with DD chrono module have sub seconds at 3 o'clock. eg. The expensive AP ROO offshore chronos use in house AP base movements but with DD chrono module.The sub seconds is not at 3 o'clock.

Check Andrew review, has the same configuration.

Base movement by GP and chrono module by DD.

Your theory now have 3 examples.

Cheers

Nilo

That's why the chrono pushers are staggered to the crown as they are in the reduced. Sandwiched movement components.












This message has been edited by mrsnak on 2012-06-27 20:17:39

with white dial. Hockey puck comes free. 

... And have considered this a few times.. I actually find the dial look nice 

I hear some rumors about and my watchmaker is not a particular fan of this movement.

Other options to consider:

a) Speemaster Broad Arrow (My single white dialed watch)



My favorite. The movement was subject to many debates but I believe that this is one of the best non-CoAxial movements sold by Omega (Is a F. Piguet).
Someday I will do a post exposing my views about how the Internet can create a myth.

b) Not an Speedmaster but carries a 861 inside (De Ville Prestige)



Nice but it was not a keeper, because of the small size. I trade it for another Omega.

c) Also not an Speedmaster but is an Omega



I don't own this watch (It belongs to a friend -- An old picture) but is a watch that I plan to "capture" on the moment that it shows up.

Cheers,

Nilo

i appreciate Nilo has said they are 'unsubstantiated', but i'd like to know if they are true before i buy a watch for its looks.

having read things on the interweb today there are a lot of people defaming the watch saying 'easy to buy and hard to sell', but i havent encountered anyone who has actually said 'my 1140 calibre broke' or 'i had to have a new chrono module' etc.

i have found a couple of nice pieces. an all white dial with black bezel from the 90's, a 2006 all white Torino olympic model with same movement (i assume) and finally a white panda dial with date at 4 oclock with the 3304 movement (said to be a VJ 7753). i know people may well say that the date model is just a Paul Newman knock off, but i dont care.

all in all i prefer the all white dial, but i'm not going to buy a watch with proven problems.

any info willingly absorbed

G

On a summary, its another Internet fueled myth.

Many watches, not only the "reduced" uses the same DD chronograph module, including the NZL-32 Chrono that I'm wearing as I type (or try on my Galaxy Pad) this and I have no concerns about this watch.

This DD module, for maintenance, requires a true watchmaker and that is it.

Let us remember that DD is making those modules for eons. Just remember that one of the first automatic chronos, the Caliber 11, has a DD module and we are talking 1969.

Enjoy your future white dialed chrono without any concern.

Cheers,

Nilo

...and he has no problem working on them. He also wasn't aware of any inherent problems. I suppose, like any watch, you get one that may have been abused, the more complicated they are, the harder they might be to troubleshoot and fix. 

i still havent bought a white dialled speedy as i got a bit sidetracked the other day when i say a 1964 Droz super compressor for sale on another forum and that was one that just had to join the clan. you dont see them very often so you dont pass them up for a watch you can find several of every day of the week.

i may get it before the end of the month though

best

G