Officine Panerai

Hi, Scott,

You said that you will on to post some pics to illustrate your words.

I'm eager to see your examples of Vintage Dials.

And amazed by your expertise on this topic.

This is a very interesting topic, and I would love to open the discussion based on your pics.

Can't wait to read you!

Best,

Nicolas

I will throw up some pics Wednesday for open discussion.  in the future, PM me if I don't respond to posts within a day.

As Guille and I went back and forth on the subject, we had a good time with it.  Let me preface by saying the vintage dials are a closely held secret mainly because there are so few and because the makers of the time are not around to discuss them.  I too, have to remain closed on the subject of production methods for sake of collectors out there and for non-disclosure reasons.  Short of that, we can show and tell and discuss everything else.

More to come.

Scott

 

There are too many " Vintage " all around, and so few authentic ones...

I fear that you're right, but I also think it is a bit too late, as the fake dials, or redone, or what you want ( but you got the idea... ) are here and there, sadly.

So your idea was great, but as you said, this is not an easy topic to discuss in a public forum, for Collectors sake.

If you also consider the " Vintage " movement, we have the same issue, IMO.

So, all the Experts, and the True Experts, are staying quiet, to not make the things easier for fakers.

Bad, too bad, as these watches are really pure marvels.

Best,

Nicolas

The fakers think they are ahead of the game but they cannot pass the true tests of authenticity.  Again, I don't want to over-reveal the details about this but the only dials that are fakeable now are the newer models and that's because Panerai gave in to production simplicity.  Now, anyone with good pad printing skills can make those things.  The vintage and Pre-V's are a different story.  Yes, I've seen recent good Pre-V fakes but they're still only good enough to the average guy.  The vintage stuff has a place of it's own when ingenuity and not cutting corners was first.  Even with variations in the vintage dials, I can still tell real from fake. 

On another note, I can't blame the homegae watch guys from trying to make a good replica for themselves to wear.  These watches are highly desirable and most people can't afford them or find one for sale if they could. 

Thanks

Scott