Identifying future classic Rolex from the 1990-2018 era - Part 2: Rolex GMT-Master II 16760

Jul 19, 2018,08:53 AM
 

The first in this series of articles looked at identifying watches from the 1990-2018 era that could become future classics. Part 1 highlighted the Rolex Submariner 16610LV.

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This article, Part 2 of 8 will look at the Rolex GMT-Master II 16760. It has many factors that also point towards it becoming a future classic.

First, I am highlighting below the criteria that I used in the first article to guide my thinking.

A number of criteria form what it takes to be a future classic. In my view, it would roughly comprise the following:

  • Of limited production thereby making it reasonably hard to find. Supply needs to be of a sufficient number to make the hunt realistic, but hard enough to make it a test.
  • Within a specific reference, there is usually some distinguishing factor that separates one type of dial from another. The rarer the dial variant, the more in-demand it will be.
  • Unique appearance. Take for example the Big Crowns that have clearly recognisable characteristics that make them easy to identify. Similarly, on Milsubs, the marking on the insert makes them stand out as does their military features.
  • Typically, a collectible watch marks something important in the history of Rolex. It is not always the case, but often it can be. Take the Sea-Dweller 1665, for example. The invention of the HEV came with the 1665 and that marked a very significant point in Rolex history and how it subsequently shaped the company.  When a watch has a special importance in the history of Rolex, it can turn that watch into something that collectors demand.

I think it is fair to say that it isn’t necessary to tick every box but is important to tick enough of them. The 16760 certainly does that. The 16760 was in production for just five years from 1983 to 1988. OK, that is a little out of my original remit of the past thirty years, but only just!! The 16760 was:

  • immediately notable for its more prominent, thicker case - nicknamed the "Fat Lady" or the "Sophia Loren"
  •  the very first GMT-Master II
  • the first GMT to sport the red & black coke insert. The watch was immediately differentiated from other GMT in that it was only ever issued with the coke insert.
  •  the very first GMT to have a sapphire crystal. Collectors are turning more and more to this transition era  -  the sapphire era.
  • the first GMT to use white gold on the dial. 18k white gold was used to surround the hour markers.
  • the first GMT to have an independent centre hour hand that allowed the centre hour hand to be altered independently from the 24-hour hand. Tis marked a new innovation.

These factors make the 16760 an important watch for Rolex in terms of its history. It marks a lot of "firsts".

The 16760 also has a dial quirk to it too.  A very small percentage of 16760s were made with a dial that reads “Oyster Perpetual” underneath the coronet and Rolex. In other words, it misses the word “date”. Most dials have “Oyster Perpetual Date” but a few just have “Oyster Perpetual”.  

How rare is the 16760? Well, if you type in Rolex GMT-Master II 16710 in Chrono, you will likely get around 400 hits of watches for sale. If you do the same for the Rolex GMT-Master II16760, you will see around 15 for sale globally. How many “no-date” versions? Maybe one or two. This is a rare watch either with or without the dial anomaly. Yet it is not exactly priced like a future classic. In fact, most 16760s are priced below where a modern GMT would be priced. I see this watch as very likely to become more and more appreciated as collectors see it for what it is. It has many of the features that collectors deem as attractive. And importantly, it is still priced at a great level for what is an important GMT that is also relatively hard to find. I would say that it matters to me to find one in great condition and with proper box and papers. How many of those are out there?

Very few.

Yes, this is a modern Rolex that thoroughly deserves its place on my list of “future classics”. 







Date versus "No-Date" versions

(images found anonymously on internet)


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Excellent post, the Fat Lady could be changed to obese person to be PC?

 
 By: Miranda : July 19th, 2018-09:09
I prefer Sophia Lauren, she was beautiful and the definition of elegance, just like 16760

Thanks Baron for another thought provoking post

 
 By: Joepny : July 19th, 2018-09:35
But to be thoroughly convinced, I really need to see Imran post a pic of 16760 with jubilee bracelet...😆

once.....about 15 years ago....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 25th, 2018-10:21
I sat next to her on a plane.

Need to check

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 22nd, 2018-01:20
... but I think the case is 0.5mm deeper. Such a small difference. I think I prefer Sophia Loren.

The ‘no date’ is not really available

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 19th, 2018-10:18
Well I can find one for the price of a brand new Ford Fiesta. Never knew that the word ‘date’ was that expensive. So now I kind of understand that Nicolas hates the date. It costs money! Kidding aside, thank you (again) for a very informative document and... 

I think that is right......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 19th, 2018-10:34
.....the no-date is just extremely rare. The date version with B&P is hard enough. The positive side is that it is not more expensive than a modern one.

Good one, Arie. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : July 19th, 2018-13:06

Agreed

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 19th, 2018-13:29
Although Jeremy Clarkson was quite taken by it (the 2016 ST that is)

He made the same with a Innocenti 20 years ago, with a renault 17 motor in the middle/RWD.

 
 By: Walter2 : July 19th, 2018-16:06
I respect him very much, all parts from trash, he build the cars allone and he wins with his own cars. He drives Slalom and Autocross 25 years. ...  

Could not agree more

 
 By: kolosstt : July 19th, 2018-11:47
Thanks for the very clear explanation. Mine is not a perfect collector piece but it is real and honest to me. ...  

and what a great picture [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 19th, 2018-12:03

The watch gives me lots of you

 
 By: kolosstt : July 19th, 2018-23:06
And these days in the IWC boutique i had a story and lesson to tell, too.

OI

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 19th, 2018-13:30
Who did that? Who made a wrist shot statue?!?!?

I wanted to put it in my bag but as most things in the US

 
 By: kolosstt : July 19th, 2018-23:04
This was oversized. Detroit ... important monument ...

Are you wearing your watch on the right arm?

 
 By: kolosstt : July 19th, 2018-23:05
That was my explanation when i wondered myself. Cheers Kolosstt

;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : July 20th, 2018-00:33

€ 18K is under the radar??? [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 19th, 2018-13:31

I like box & papers

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 19th, 2018-13:50
Don’t know why though, as no one ever uses them....

Interesting, thoughtful post J. I've been traveling extensively and one way or another missed Part 1, which was an equally good read.

 
 By: 5980 : July 19th, 2018-15:44
Even my worn out old sponge can absorb some of this, which I appreciate! But, I have to ask, is this soon-to-be-syndicated series restricted to Rolex by design, or may we pursue this line of thinking among another history-rich maison or two?

Odd.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 20th, 2018-00:23
.....as doing on the research on modern Rolex has provided 7-8 examples of under-appreciated watches that tick many boxes that collectors enjoy. Among other manufacturers, I have not really found the same..... I think a part of this is that Rolex, histori... 

Self-fulfilling prophecy Baron... you being a moderator will create inflation on these models :)

 
 By: Tyo : July 19th, 2018-17:52
All jokes aside, another great post about Rolex vintage, for me being a newbie in that field, this is very informative, I would like in the upcoming years finding a Rolex from my birth year. I'm waiting for the next 6.

self-fulfilling.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 20th, 2018-00:19
.......but what is the alternative? Not tell anyone?

uhmmmm.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 20th, 2018-00:56
......that would make me a filthy speculator..... which I am....just not in watches.

also.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 20th, 2018-07:31
.....this is Part 2 of 8. I found some really interesting modern Rolex.....

very interesting post J.

 
 By: keks : July 20th, 2018-08:52
thanks for taking the time to compose. Very interesting indeed!

Vintage Rolex

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 20th, 2018-09:33
.....has become differentiated by issues like double Swiss, underlines, different scripts, etc etc.....people assume that modern Rolex is commoditised.....that isn't true. Its full of things to discover and also some very very rare dials. Makes it a hunt.... 

very true....

 
 By: keks : July 20th, 2018-09:40
I do miss my (full set) rail 1665 every once in a while.... such a charming piece... but you are absolutely right, there are tons to discover and a new world of vintage is coming now that 80s and soon 90s will become vintage (and me for that matter...)...... 

Thanks for this. A Great post

 
 By: socabaptist : July 25th, 2018-16:52
Thanks for this post. This was very informative. I appreciate your efforts. Thanks

its fun to investigate..... [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 26th, 2018-03:44

Wouldn't the 16750 be the first GMT Master to have white gold surrounds for the hours markers?

 
 By: Boris : September 3rd, 2018-05:21
This reference transitioned to this type of dials in 1983, so at the same time the 16760 was introduced. Maybe a tie? Interestingly, like for the 16760, the first versions of dials white gold hour markers on the 16750 omitted the word "Date"

Actually I don’t think you are right

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : September 3rd, 2018-05:44
The 16750 was produced from 1981-1988, but it wasn’t until after 1983 that they started using the white gold on the dial. The earlier dials were Matte and did not have white gold indexes. The latter dials did. The 16760 was produced from 1983-1988, but us... 

After some research, you are probably correct on the 16760

 
 By: Boris : September 3rd, 2018-07:49
But the transition date on the 16750 is more debatable. Rolex appears to have transitioned to glossy dials on the 16750 in late 1983 / early 1984. There are a number of watches documented from the 8,3 million range sporting a "No date" glossy dial with wh...