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Identifying future classic Rolex from the 1990-2018 era - Part 5: Rolex Submariner 14060M - The "LGF" dial

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 1st, 2018-10:15


This is Part 5 of a series of articles aimed at identifying future classics from the 1990-2018 modern era. This month will focus on one of the "old school" modern Submariners - the 14060M

Every now and then Rolex produce a truly cool watch. Usually it is one that has strong overtures from its history. Usually it is a GMT or a Submariner as those represent what  collectors perceive as the heart of Rolex. When Rolex produce such a watch, it usually has a very long production run and is very popular. Take the Submariner 5512 and 5513. The 5512 was introduced in 1958 and was produced until 1978. The 5513 saw a production run from 1962 through to 1989. Even for Rolex, this represents a long production run. Yet, these two references represent what, to many, is the very essence of the Submariner icon.  Despite the long production run, various quirks and anomalies on the dial of these two references have seen some variations become extraordinarily rare and sought after. Auction prices have gone through the roof for some of these variations.

The Submariner 14060 was the successor to the 5512/5513 and many people describe it as “the last of the best” as the reference retained the sleek crown guards and narrow lugs of its vintage predecessors. It has that vintage feel to it but at the same time is a thoroughly modern watch. The 14060 Submariner was introduced in 1990 until 2002 and the 14060M from 2002 until 2012. Inside the 14060M beats the calibre 3130, featuring a full balance bridge (upgrading from the previous balance cock), a Breguet overcoil on the hairspring as well as a larger balance wheel.

The no-date dial gives a very strong symmetry to the watch, combined with a vintage feel and a totally modern robust movement to make it a very desirable watch indeed. With drilled hole lugs (the last Submariner to have them), the watch is easily transformed with a leather strap or Nato, though I have to say I think it works well with the original bracelet. The 14060M has a feel to it that very few modern Subs have. I would say it is a perfect example of the transition between vintage and modern.

Now, 2002-2012 represents a long period of production for the 14060M, but this production run saw a number of evolutions. The most important of these concerns the Chronometer certification that took place in 2007. Prior to this, the dial was a simple two-liner without the chronometer certification. From 2007 onwards, however, the dial carried the chronometer certification and was differentiated by a 4-liner text on the dial. Now, that makes the 4-liner produced for just 5 years and much rarer for Rolex. Most production runs exceed that. But 5 years still allows for a lot of production given how popular Rolex Submariners are.

The next evolution, however, is not something that is well-known. If one looks at the 2-liner dial (ie before certification), one can see a certain type of script being used. In particular, the F used in 1000 ft has a particularly long tail to it. It is a Long F.

Now, if we take an example of a 4-liner dial from later in production, one can see that a different type of script has been used by Rolex for the post-chronometer period. It is a short F.

However, during the year of transition from 2-liner to 4-liner (2007/8), and only during that first year of production of the 4-liner, some of the Long F script dials were used on the 4-liners. When I say some, I mean a very small number. It is not unique, as I have seen maybe 5 or 6 examples. But there is a rare dial anomaly that can be seen on the very first 14060M 4-liner dials. 4-liner with a Long F.

To be honest, I love the Long F.  The short F is fine, but that Long F is very good. It is a Long Good F. It is also a crucial differentiator that sets it apart from other 14060M. I also love the 14060M. It is such a pure Submariner that carries strong vintage DNA.

A brief look at Chrono24 will show about 300 Submariner 14060 for sale globally. Around half of these are 2-liner (pre-2008) watches and the other half are 4-liner (post-2007) chronometer watches. Within the 4-liner sample, I can see just one or two Long Good F examples. That makes it a very rare watch indeed. The “last of the best” it may be. But with this very rare dial configuration, it may be one of the rarest of the best. Possibly one of the rarest dial variations of a modern Submariner.

The Long Good F.  It reminds me very much of the classic film “The Long Good Friday,” starring Bob Hoskins. One of the best "old school" British gangster movies of all time. I think nicknaming this watch The LGF or the “Bob Hoskins” seems fitting.



Previous posts on future classics

Part 1: The Kermit    www.watchprosite.com /

Part 2: The Fat Lady   www.watchprosite.com /

Part 3: The "Swiss" only effect     www.watchprosite.com /

Part 4: The Stick dial    www.watchprosite.com /



Great post, Joe.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-10:56
Very interesting. This one is truly the most amazing of those you have written about. Really cool watch and story it tells.
Keep them coming, I love reading these. I consider it educational.

I am learning something, here. Thanks, Joe! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2018-11:01
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with Rolex......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-04:06
......its the detail, right?
But 14060 is such a cool Submariner too

Wow, does Rolex even know these devilish details? [nt]

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : October 1st, 2018-11:18
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Of course they do. They simply refrain any disclosure in order to keep all the myths alive. [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-13:14
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the myth is designed to keep collectors interest of Rolex [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 1st, 2018-17:35
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Hard to say.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-08:08
I would guess that its more about bending rules than deliberate action.

lolz...the thing with most Rolex is not rarity it is the abundance. The fanboys really have to dig into dials for I's and F's and O's for comin up with excuses to backup their purchases or.

 
 By: redcorals : October 1st, 2018-11:52
...else they become irrelevant. 

thanks for the great posts Baron !

 
 By: mahesh : October 1st, 2018-12:17
i enjoy reading & it is interesting to learn the details of each Rolex versions....

great material for new comers !!

kudos !!!

Best,
mahesh.,

It's the damnedest thing...

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-12:32
A few months ago I spoke with a very knowledgeable collector and he may, intentionally or not, have put me on the track of a, as you call them, LGF. And in all honesty I have to point out out that I have always stated that the Submariner is the most boring Rolex of them all but I did succumb to his, probably unintentionally mentioned, arguments. So after paying a hefty premium I found myself owning a LGF.

I haven’t worn it yet because of my, as called by another collector, satchquatch wrists (I need an extra link), but the urge to un sticker it is definitely there. Yes it is a true NOS. So value wise, if this collector and the author are right, I should keep it that way. But it goes against my nature not wearing a watch that I own.



(very skillfully photography not showing any of all the factory stickers)


So what shall I do? In sticker it and start enjoying? Or listen to the author of this very informative piece and safe queen it?



Wear it! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2018-12:44
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Nice. Wear. [nt]

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-12:51
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Lend it to Mr. Z, he will scratch it in no time

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:54
after that you can wear it with total peace of mind

He will probably manage to break the bracelet.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-13:10
Or at least get two decades of stretch in it within a day...

Hey!!! I guess you are right.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-21:37
Well, I always said I’m talented for 2 things. This being one, the other we shall not discuss here...

After giving it some thought....

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-23:22
....Rolex might be the only brand who can endure the stress levels you lay upon straps/bracelets. You haven’t demolished a Rolex yet have you?

Operative word is yet.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 2nd, 2018-01:56
Not enough wrist time. But I did scratch a bracelet without even wearing the watch. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

Wear it...with stickers 😬 and congratulations

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : October 1st, 2018-13:41
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Congrats! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-01:29
A future classic for sure!
Best
Blomman

Hmm, intriguing

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:32
if I like a modern Rolex then a 14060 is probably in the top spot and with that little "extra" I could be very tempted.
I like the challenge of "rare" biggrin

Superb post dear Joe!! That´s something I haven´t read about before! A very interesting read about one of my favorite "modern" references. Regret to say...

 
 By: Subexplorer : October 1st, 2018-13:36
... that my own 14060M has not the long F but I love my watch anyway. It has accompanied me in some great dives and in many trips, as well as on my wrist very oftten.

Very nice to know a bit more about this beautiful reference!!
Thank you so much my dear friend!
All the best, Abel.

Great post Joe, thank you!

 
 By: Walter2 : October 1st, 2018-16:19

I like to talk a little bit more about the TWO LINER 14060M without Chronometer Certification, but the Chronmeter movement 3130.

First of all we find here the same, what we can find with the predecessor 5513 and 5512. Some Two Liners 5513 wear the movement of the 5512, but also without Chronometer Certification. History repeats itself.

The Two Liner 14060M was only produced for five years, this is aprox. the same short period as the Four Liner 14060M.  A lot of people prefer the Two Liner for the plain and clear dial without too many lettering. Personally i prefer the Four Liners, but this - may be -- is a question of the taste.

There are also differnt lettering on the Two Liner 14060 M, see this three pics from two of my 14060M, one from 2003 and the other one from 2004.










So, i am not sure, but may be in the future, the Two Liner 14060 M


FOUR  LINER

I think the most important thing is the Serial number on the rehaut the last year of production (2012). This is an absolut new way after so many years with the Serial number between the lugs. What we find here is a mix of prehystoric Rolex watches, like holes in the lugs and without SEL (14060 M never had SEL and was the last watch of Rolex without SEL) and the modern times with the RANDOM Number on the rehaut.

For me the 14060M in all configurations, Two or Four Liner, Chronometer or not, is one of the most collectibel watches from Rolex. Here ends the period of the old Submariner. The new 114060 with ceramic bezel and the terrible case is not the same watch. The difference between 5512/13 and 14060/M is minimal and Evolution. The difference between 14060/M and 114060 is Revolution.

I am sorry for the bad pic of the Random number, but my handy is not from Rolex.











Thanks Joe [nt]

 
 By: watch-guy.com : October 1st, 2018-17:06
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Thanks Joe, would it be possible to see the two examples side by side? [nt]

 
 By: watch-guy.com : October 1st, 2018-17:07
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harder than you think as Chrono24 has now changed their image capture

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:21
ability to use examples is now harder as the quality on screenshots does not translate. The example at the top has the long F. If you go on Chronoi 24 and search for 14060M from 2010 (for example), than that will have a short F example.....there are plenty of those.

Great article Joe. A nuance of which I for one was not aware. Well researched and well written, understandable to a bozo such as myself [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : October 1st, 2018-17:38
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Excellent scholarship

 
 By: descartes1 : October 1st, 2018-18:09
What a great read. Thanks!

Hi, will the V series with inside writing be classified as a collectible ..? [nt]

 
 By: Horology75 : October 2nd, 2018-00:11
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one day....yes [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:57
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