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Rolex 5512 1962 with Swiss - T<25

 
 By: neil3 : January 5th, 2014-21:14

I recently bought a Rolex 5512 with case back stamped IV1962.  The dial on the watch is all gilt with black gloss.  I agree with many of the comment about gilt dials they are beautiful.  The thing about this dial is that it is has no minute ring, it has gilt minute ticks instead, as well as "Swiss - T<25" in gilt below the six lume.  There is no Chronometer certification on the dial.  The combination of these make the dial unusual.

The serial number of the watch is 8702xx and is IV 62

I have spent some time investigating this dial and I have found 4 other watches with exactly the same dial.  The interesting thing is that all of these watches were all produced in the final two quarters of 1962.  I haven't be able to find any 5512 with this dial outside III '62 and IV '62.   I believe that this watch is a pre SCOC and early no minute ring and early Swiss - T<25.


I am interested in your opinion.  I have enjoyed the posts on gilt dials and 5512's that have been posted on the past.


Regards


Neil

This message has been edited by neil3 on 2014-01-05 21:56:39

Better Photos of my watch

 
 By: neil3 : January 5th, 2014-22:07








Sorry still learning how to use system.


Neil

If iPhone pics then macro won't be good, or the pic size is too small [nt]

 
 By: ImranLondon : January 5th, 2014-23:35
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Here are some bigger pictures

 
 By: neil3 : January 6th, 2014-00:27


Give me some time on this...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : January 6th, 2014-02:11
.....to be honest, I have not seen a t<25 on a dial this early before. I was of the view that these started to appear in 1963 or perhaps even 1964. The 1530 movement was certainly available by 1962. 
It was sometimes the case that the T<25 was applied to a Swiss only dial ...either side of the Swiss. But this is not the case on your dial. I will need to do more work on this as this is not one I am familiar with, but I have seen your style of dial on a mid-1960s 5513 on a few occasions before. However, your case and serial number appear to confirm an early-1960s watch. Need to search a few more examples.

Jeff? Marcello? What do you think?

Other serial numbers of watches with this dial

 
 By: neil3 : January 6th, 2014-03:13

As I said I have done some research on these dials.  I found 4 other watches with the same dial.  I found 3 on another forum s/n's 870545, 818620 and 818320. I found another on a commercial site. All these watches were produce in the 3rd or 4th quarter 1962. They were all 5512 and either had cal 1530 or 1560.

Neil

This message has been edited by Baron on 2014-01-06 05:50:13

in my opinion ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : January 6th, 2014-08:38
the dial you have on the watch is not the pristine one ..
the problem is not just the presence of the printing " T < 25 " , but the lack of the minute ring with this printing.
with a case in the 870.000 range ( very early 1963 ) I expect to have these possible combos :
1) minute ring and " SWISS " only
2) minute ring and " SWISS T< 25 " ( mainly on 5513 )
3) no minute ring and " SWISS " only.
about the other watches with the same dial you have seen :
a) the couple of watches with case in the 818.000 batch  in my opinion are completely " out of range " with this dial ;
b) moreover " a swallow doesn't make a summer " as a few watches can't indicate a trend when compared to the very big number of  those seen with dials consistent to the types described above.
furthermore your watch is not " untouched " as from the picture I can well see that hands have been changed : it has " steel " ones instead of a gilt set ( that by the way has a longer minutes hand ).

Tending to agree

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : January 6th, 2014-09:07
When you originally posted the scans, it troubled me that I could not match the combinations of your watch. 

Indeed, I am still having trouble finding any accurate comparisons that make sense matching the case back, serial number and dial style. I would think that the dial comes from a later era than the case.

from this ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : January 6th, 2014-09:14
improved pic of the dial you can easily see that hands have a luminous material with a pretty different shade ...
moreover indexes have a " balloon " look that is typical of later dials ...







+1. My feeling, too , on a later dial.

 
 By: amanico : January 6th, 2014-09:52

I wil do more research

 
 By: neil3 : January 6th, 2014-12:33

Thanks for your post I feel I'm getting closer to the truth.  I will do more research to be sure.


Regards


Neil