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Thank you for your hypothese Not sure if it's the case. Minergie was developed (according to the site) in 1998. And here on the case back is helvetia hallmark, which was in use up to 01.08.1995 WBR Serge

I've never seen such a mark on the caseback before. What does this Givenchy like mark mean? The others inducate that the case was made by Centror something between 1982-1995 This is AP 14760BC

Only 3 ((

And IWC policy, when they once turned from real collectors toward red carpet and celebs 🤷🏻‍♂️ And then this infected all Richemont brands WBR Serge

With only one exception - I purchased 1815 HG at boutique, and I’m in the waiting lists… but another person came there and bought an Complication and then got in a month Odysseus as well 🤷🏻‍♂️ and I’m still waiting for it. It seems to be strange with my collection (L1, Dato and some 1815 LE’s). Even

It means, red gold (check the same page mentioned by CR, but change language to Deutsch) Why it is just pink gold for English version - no idea )) WBR Serge

and the hand as on Antiquorum watch, not as Nr2 With best regards Serge

it is page 252, top left You can see the same dial as on Antiquorum watches With best regards Serge

Fully agree )) With best regards Serge

Indeed the same case (it would be great to find pic of case back for both references to check the producer). Do you have it occasionally? )) Different ebauchee, I agree. Probably also pulsometer vs tachimeter scale? Only 6 pcs vs 3 pcs? Without photos and records to much space for interpretation...