Omega - Help needed. Hand and Marker.

Help needed. Hand and Marker.

Dear all.

Vintage Omega Collectors love to say "never say never to vintage Omegas" to protect the originality of their watches. Today, I am trying to do the opposite things, to set up some "Rules of thumb" for beginners to learn, to look at when they buy a watch. I will strictly stay in "hand and marker" category only.

If you find a watch in your collection which is against one of these "rules", please post your pic and questions to correct me . Your ideas are very appreciated.

I'd also like to thank Mike, everytime I am in doubt, I have a look at his online collections to check and clarify. I think all of his watches pass these rules beautifully.

1 _ Lengh of Hands.

a_ Second hand and minute hand should be even in lengh (SC version) and reach the markers.

Too long or too short is wrong.

b_ Sub second hand shoud reach the rim of the sub dial.

I will wait for a few days before posting the next rule.

Best regards.

Hoi.

This message has been edited by hoipolloi on 2011-07-03 10:38:40

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hmmm...

By: Bill Sohne : July 3rd, 2011-11:01

Hi Hoip... Ok the fun part will be to find the counter intuitive example ... Some of the bumper 352 Seamaster have the second track near the inside of the min markers and the min hand extends to the outside end of the min markers. I will see if I can find...

Not rules but hypotheses ....

By: Franco : July 3rd, 2011-15:32

Hi given that the data available are going to be fragmentary and of unknown distribution, I would suggest that your aim should be to create "hypotheses" rather than "rules". Hypotheses that are formed this way can later be tested to be more or less credib...

Less credible.

By: hoipolloi : July 3rd, 2011-15:53

Hi Franco. we can call it whatever we like, what I am asking for is "genuine proof" to make it less credible. Do you have some ? Best.

Not at all

By: Franco : July 4th, 2011-05:46

Hi Hoipolloi you can play this any way you want - it is not up to people to give you pictures to prove your dogmas wrong. Science does not work like this. It is up to you to construct a strong hypothesis on many good observations, and then propose it to t...

agree Franco , this needs to be scientic method ...

By: Bill Sohne : July 3rd, 2011-17:57

Hi Franco... Agree with your comment. Rules imply etched it stone.... Good Hunting Bill

Found it yet, Bill ?

By: hoipolloi : July 3rd, 2011-19:02

Hi Bill. I am writing some essays for beginners in another forum (Vietnamese) and these "rules of thumb" will be in there so that a green horn can tell the Good from the Bad and the Ugly. If "the experts" cannot give genuine proof against my "rules or the...

Hoi ...

By: Bill Sohne : July 3rd, 2011-19:10

Hi Hoi... What you want to do is a good thing.... Franco is just pointing out that once stuff is posted on the net , its gets a sort of automatic acceptance as " etched in stone" .... so the naming convention that Franco mentioned is important for net pub...

perfect, we will buy all the "wrong" watches very cheap then....

By: watch.out1 : July 3rd, 2011-21:35

and use our vintage hands stock to make them right and will roll in profits..... BTW: old speedmasters have strange hand lengths sometimes, but factory fitted.....kind regards. achim

Do you have a pic?

By: hoipolloi : July 3rd, 2011-22:13

Hi. Do you have a pic for me? Achim ? I also like to clarify that I only cover from @1939 to @1968. Best.

Generalisation

By: mondodec : July 4th, 2011-00:19

I like to call them generalisations because with Omega there is always exceptions in my experience. One generalisation that I work with on Connies is that the minute and second sweep should marginally reach over the inner 'circle' of the chapter ring wher...

Don't use a caliper.

By: hoipolloi : July 4th, 2011-05:55

Hi Desmond. Please don't use a caliper to measure. You may already know Omega used same hands for some different dials. Same hands are used on 168005 (smaller dial) and 168004 (bigger dial) To me, this is ok and accepted. Talking about dome dials I have q...

What I have observed...

By: mac_omega : July 4th, 2011-05:52

Hi Hoi, what I have observed over the time is that hour hands are often ridiculously short in proportion to the minute hands... What comes into mind are the SM olympic models... they have very short hour hands (although factory original). here is one exam...

Thanks Erich.

By: hoipolloi : July 4th, 2011-06:06

Hi Erich. Thank you very much. You are the only one who gives me a picture. Yes, the hour hands are short, sometimes too short in some models (pie pans). In the picture that you give me, there is nothing wrong with it. The minute hand and second hand reac...