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Thanks Art
Art,
Thanks for chiming in.
I am aware of the history of the El Primero (arguably the best automatic chronograph movement ever designed). I am very happy with the direction that the new management is taking the brand over the last few years.
What I was responding to was what I had heard from a local Zenith dealer (who is no longer a Zenith AD) that he had tremendous difficulty getting parts for his customers such as straps, clasps etc and reliable delivery on watches. This was about two years ago to be fair. I also heard similar poor service stories regarding Zenith (long waits, watch not repaired or damaged watches etc.). Again, to be fair; both Swatch Group and Richemeont brands as well.
In the end, LVMH is a mega-company and Zenith is their price jewel (let's see what happens with Bulgari) and I am sure that they will care for their asset. So this is unlikely a determining factor.
Bob
Trying to Decide Between These 3 Chronographs?
Hi, I am considering adding a chronograph to my collection. I want a chronograph with a dark dial, more sporty than dressy, water resistance suitable for swimming, good night visibility with a distinct look from my other 5 watches (see below) and a runnin...
Tough decision...
Personally, I would hesitate a lot between the Breguet and the Panerai... The Panerai is perhaps the most elegant of the 3, with a very clean and well balanced dial. Its size will allow most of the human wrists to wear it. The Breguet has some Heritage be...
Panerai... or Breguet
The better movement and better history (as Nicolas said) is with the Breguet... and probably the best design too... but I find that watch quite small, in terms of how it wears, not actual size. When I wore it in an AD, it felt very unsubstantial. So for m...
Regarding Valjoux 7750
Mostrel, Thanks for your thoughts. I had heard that many Valjoux based chronos have that hard click due to poor (or long) pusher designs through the case. My only experience is with a Sinn 756 DIapal and it is exactly as you describe. Perhaps as you say, ...
IWC Galapagos???
Hi Bob, I see that you have no objection towards 7750 and furthermore you mentioned about swiming and etc. I would rather susgest you this Iwc fully rubberize watch.It's skin friendly and tough aswell.....outdoor especially,regardless of heat and water re...
Galapagos
BHK9, Thanks for your suggestion. My dive watch is a IW3535-05 (white dial) Aquatimer 2000. This watch while a chronograph and finished differently in rubber is just too close to my diver. I am also looking for a smaller watch. My AT is 43.5 mm in diamete...
Right......
Hi Bob, Since you have the aquatimer then is quite simillar to the galapagos i have susgessted.....the are from the same familt,then Extreme World Chrnono from JLC with safety locks on the chrono pusher???I dont have the picture for chrono,how about these...
Thanks and a Thought on Heritage
Nicolas, I agree with you about not liking dates on chronograph dials. Its funny, heritage doesn't factor that much into with me. In the case of these three, it is Swatch Group and Richemont (two large publicly held giants) vs. a small independent company...
Sorry, I meant Military Heirloom, this last word meaning " Heritage " in French.
What you wrote drives us to another perspective, indeed, and agree with you that it is not trhe most important thing to take in consideration. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Best, Bob. Nicolas
Breguet for me...
Chronoswiss rules itself out...simply unappealing to me. Between the breguet n Pam, I prefer the breguet. Sports watches need not be giant size, arguably, if one is involved in vigorous sports, a smaller watch runs less risk of being banged around. Metal ...
A Pam with the P2004 caliber or it's variations.
8 Days GMT Chrono Monopulsante...... manual winding, 8 days PR, 4 Hz, second reset, GMT, 3 barrels, column wheels. The 311 and 275 all feature this caliber. But the cheapest PAM with this movement is from the Ferrari series ones..think FER 20 or something...
I would choose the Breguet without any doubt.
One day you will wake up, you will face the Chronoswiss and you will say: but how could I buy a watch with such crown ? And the honeymoon will be over. About the Panerai, well, I find it boring and I much prefer the PAM 288. At the end, if the Breguet is ...
Somehow, I can picture the moment you describe
Fx, I looked at the PAM 288 is 45 mm (large) and has a tachometer (which I do not use or like). Why do you prefer that model? On the Breguet, do you mean that the minute counter counts every 2 minutes vs. every minute? The Chonoswiss actually has 1 minute...
Yes Bob.
The graduation of the 30mn counter is very disturbing. They wished to keep the original scale but... I really think inappropriate, especially with the behaviour of the hand. About the Pam288, it is mainly for aesthetical reasons. But when I compare them, ...
I'd go for the Breguet but ...
... you have to decide for yourself ... like a big boy ... . Filip This message has been edited by bimbeano on 2011-06-25 16:18:57
+1
Definitely the Panerai out of those choices. Other PAM chronos to have a look at are the PAM214, 288, and the much loved (by yours truly)the PAM163.
How about the titanium version of the Breguet
Adds some pizzaz and relieves the shiny look worries. Mike
Definitely the Panerai...
like you mention, it woud be a great addition to your collection. I saw this model yesterday at my AD and was impressed. Its size isn't overwhelming, but it looks great on the wrist, even when compared to larger, 44mm PAMs.
the Panerai
haven't strapped on this model, but have tried on a 42mm Rad--and it was very refined...... J
Heh heh heh you would probably hate my suggestion.
I wouldn't go with any of them given with your situation. No on chronoswiss since you already have one from this brand. No on panerai. How on earth are you gonna swim with a radiomir. A rubber strap on it would look ridiculous! That left you with breguet....
Breguet
Hi Bob, I own both a Breguet Type XX and a Panerai Radiomir (but not the Chronograph). My assessment as follows: 1. Chronoswiss: there is only one situation where i could see myself wearing the Chronoswiss: in the cockipit of a vintage roaster, having the...
Some Further Thoughts to Your Welcomed Suggestions
Hi, While I can appreciate the quality of a Daytona 116520 there are just a couple aspects that make it a "no" for me 1) The Tachnometer on the bezel is not something I like or use (same on a Omega Speedy) 2) The aesthetic of the silver chapter rings sub-...
Breguet..
Still prefer the Breguet. Thou the Zeneith's faster beat rate movement is pretty neat. Have you seen the Breguet type XXII 3880 ST by the way?
Yes I have...
An interesting piece, but 72,000 bph it's a sprinter and likely not a marathoner without some tremendous factory support. As an engineer though, it is quite an achievement.
While I don't have any direct experience yet . . .
. . . with Zenith's service department, there are a few pertinent comments I can make. First, the warranty on Zenith is for three years. I'm not sure about your original choices, but three years is more than most, Omega being the only exception to my know...
Thanks Art
Art, Thanks for chiming in. I am aware of the history of the El Primero (arguably the best automatic chronograph movement ever designed). I am very happy with the direction that the new management is taking the brand over the last few years. What I was re...
Breguet. The most practical and wearable among the 3 choices..
for your aforementioned activities.. Nice history about the Type XX too.. Lovely.
Please clarify
Paul, I thought the Aerovanale was all polished and the Transatlantique was brushed/polished. Is that correct? There is no non-polished, non-date version. Bob
You are right...
Bob - You're right. I must have missed that you were interersted in a non-date watch. Paul
I always had a soft spot for the Breguet chrono..
Almost bought one back in 2004...went with the JLC Master Compressor due to budget.
Breguet! +1
for the exact reason you state: there is no date at the 6 position that ruins the esthetics of the dial. I don't like the Transatlantique Type XXI because it has, what I feel, is the odd/out-of-place date at the 6. The Aeronavale Type XX is just a wonderf...