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Handmade as
First of all, handmade shapes are simpler because you have to - obviously- machine them by hand, so circles or free shapes via Panthograph.
And why there needs to be transparency when it comes to handmade is quite simple: Would you pay the same price for a hand finished movement and 100% machined movement of both have the same finish? Most people would not and thereby the price of a hand finished piece is justified by the time and manual skill that went into the watch. Same goes for the production method ranging from CNC manufactured movements, over partially hand made movements up to fully handmade movements. And even there, the producer needs to be transparent in regard to rubis or Saphire parts.
It’s not an easy topic especially as producer obviously want to push towards higher prices and many collectors seem to think that their Patek is a handmade watch...
A new Split-Second Chronograph from Atelier de Chronometrie, hand made!
AdC makes bespoke watches without CNC machines. Now, they've announced a split-second chronograph! Look at the finishing! What do you think? Thanks to watchesbysjx for pictures, see their article for more: watchesbysjx.com This one is in white gold. ...
The kind of watch that makes this hobby worthwhile...
I think this watch will be a legend in collector circles for years. Things I love, specifically: -The movement, for not only its finishing (especially the great steelwork, and tasteful combination of finishes), but also for the functional improvements mad...
i love the case, lugs & dial...
and the rattrapante, the movement - what not to love actually ?! i wish it was twin counter on the dial but then that is too pedantic isn't it ! gorgeous timepiece ! Best, mahesh.,
Good eye
Do you mean that the whole surface is polished, instead of the 45 degree angle on the edge? If I'm wrong, can you explain it?
I'm curious about your comment about anglage, could you please explain?
Here is what SJX says: "And then all of the parts, new and old, are decorated by hand to a degree comparable to the most prominent names in independent watchmaking, like Voutilainen for instance" Most would agree, so I want to learn your view.
I'm going to ask for clarification here, as I don't happen to agree...
Why do you state "the anglage is particularly poor" when you are examining their work from photos? Are you a watchmaker or otherwise involved in the watchmaking world as a fine hand finisher of watch parts ,with which to pass judgement so damning as you c...
Wow, that looks super nice. Just finished reading the article by SJX...
and it seems a 2 register model would be around 70.000 euros which seems reasonable for a one-off rattrapante chrono with such artisanal work.
Looks amazing at first glance...my only 2 issues:
1) balance cock seems too angular and poorly styled relative to the rest of the sensual movement. Should have been more curved/sensual. 2) thickness. Not sure of the specs, but it looks massively thick.
So it is 14.5mm?
I consider that quite a thick watch; but then again, I’m sensitive to thickness when it comes to wearing comfort. Thanks for the profile pic. Cheers, John
Unbelievably gorgeous IMO
A beautiful execution frontside and back. Love the dial... no chopped off numerals, love the selection of hands and a well chosen case.
Beautiful, especially the tear drop, thickness reduce its attractiveness
However I would personally willingly go to more phenomenal and amazing rattrapante (ALS, FPJ, PP) or better vintage beauty rattrapante (MinervaB), or better value ingenious rattrapante (Habring & IWC).
ADC ala Mim and croket
-- the original post expressed some concerns about an unresolved dispute with a related company, mim and croket --
That is your opinion
This is not a court and we will not conduct a trial here. Cazalea
Opinion..
Opinions is What is this supposed to be. Just my opinion is as important as yours, hope you are never in the same situation and just your opinion is not erased arbitrarily
Simply Not True
Having visited the Atelier de Chronometrie and spending time with Santi and Montse (who also own Mim and Crocket), I have an incredibly hard time believing they would do such a thing. They struck me as genuine, honest and down to earth people who are incr...
Not all truths are the same
Glad you had a good experience with them. Not all people have the same experience. You will always get a different treatment when you are a "potential buyer", even water will be offered. People shows their true colors in difficult situations. Thanks for t...
Fair enough
Thanks appreciate the well tempered reply. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience. It’s definitely not the same one as I am very close to the AdC 8 project!
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You were a gentleman you deserve the same treatment. I'm not a person who posts at all. I'm so sorry this was my first participation in a long time. I hope that you enjoy the watch if you got it. It's a nice interpretation of a rather amazing complication...
Returning to the watch, Spangles asked for opinions and I gave mine. I did so because AdC's own promotional material shows movement finishing being done on jewellers' benches, not ...
... watchmakers' and this seems to be evidenced in some of the work, as in image 2 above. I may be wrong, though, and I have no intention of interfering with AdC's commercial development. That said, I would still say, 'Caveat emptor.'
I appreciate your participation!
We're all interested in what you have to say. Please explain further, so we can understand where you are coming from and we can learn something. Why is what kind of bench they use important, what about the profile of parts is wrong? Why is the anglage poo...
Well, no offense was intended, my apologies.
The anglage question is the most interesting. If it's not a problem, I may start a new thread on the topic of AdC's anglage. I had provided pictures of AdC's anglage to a watchmaker with a proposal. If there's something wrong, it could be a problem. That'...
Grat work and at least transparent...
But the more independents are going down the road of using ebauche movements and calling it handmade / handcrafted, the more I feel we need a distinction between truly handmade (GF Handmade 1) and watches like this where 50 parts are handmade and the rest...
Nothing is really handmade
At best there is hand operated mechanical tools. And even GF Handmade 1 is 95% handmade(if i rememember correctly). So where do we draw the line? I think a better approach is to understand what can only be achieved by hand work instead of attaching a tagl...
Handmade as
First of all, handmade shapes are simpler because you have to - obviously- machine them by hand, so circles or free shapes via Panthograph. And why there needs to be transparency when it comes to handmade is quite simple: Would you pay the same price for ...