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Wow, that is a document, YO!
I always thought that the Blackseal Sly was ordered by Panerai ( Pre V ) to Quorum, and that Quorum delivered them in March '97, just after Vendome bought Panerai.
The other interesting thing is that all the " regular " Black Seal were numbered P 001 to P 005.
So, we can conclude that the BS which are not numbered this way are fake, if I understood correctly the situation?
Best, and thanks!
Nicolas
The Dark Side of the Moon ( Pam 36 )
We often see pics of the Pam 36 face, and it is logical, as this Pam is an absolute reference in the Vendome production. But we never speak of its Dark Side, I mean the case back... It is now time to show it! For this watch, Panerai made the choice of a s...
Great pictures. I always prefered the look of the older movement...
The shape of the bridges, with the hard lines, and the "Panerai" engraving. Very unique. The new Carl F. Bucherer A1000 reminds me of it from a visual sense.
Well, the sweeter lines of the E series
Like on the 127, for example, are even closer to the Rolex Cortebert look, but I share your point of view, Michael. I appreciate these rough lines on the B series movement. They are coherent with the spirit of the watch, indeed. Thanks for your input, my ...
Here's a recent pic of the machine on the 127
As time has passed and better understanding of this movement's heritage is gained, makes me feel better about the complete historic linkage of the 127. Doubt this can be improved with one of the new Maniffatura movements....
Thanks, Nacho, for your nice words.
It was interesting, IMO, to see the Pam 36 under this angle. Some like the idea to see the movement thruogh the sapphire, others hate it. The good thing is that this sapphire case back is like a witness of a past era... Best, Nicolas
Great post. Very informative!
The 36 is a fantastic piece. Much nicer in person than one would think. And very collectible. Martin
I agree on the strong appeal of the 36, Martin
A piece for any Panerai Hard Core Fan, indeed. Sober, strong and fascinating with its brown dial and the tritium indexes. Best, and thanks for your input. Nicolas
I see that I still have to ...
learn a lot :0) Can you just please clear for me once more when you referring to PreA (this means pre Vendome aka Richmont, right?) A and B - what this exactly means Thank you for great pictures Is this your new Laica on rampage :0) Best Damian This messa...
Well, Damian
Pre A is Vendome, because Panerai introduced the lettering since 98, with A. So A is 98, B is 99 and so on. Pre A is 97. Not Pre Vendome. BUT it is true that the Pre A ( Pam 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 21 ) take a lot from Pre Vendome. We can even say...
Thank you for another quickest of
the quick responses Ahhhh lost 8 reviews Sad days, sad days :0( Search didn't help? Thnx for clarification Best
No, I didn't find them
I stocked them in my Email Box, and 8 of them disappeared... Sad... As I have to do the work, once again. Best, Unlucky Lucke This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-04-07 03:20:06
Nice add-on review TY. You can add a few more models
which were already projected and prototyped under Pre-Vendome (QUORUM Ltd) but executed by Vendome (initially (1997) the watch-cases were made by Quorum LTD – approx 500 units) PAM 21 was part of the 'Progetto SLYTECH PANERAI', as well as 'Submersible' + ...
I didn't know for the Gold Pannie and for the GMT, YO.
Wow, another great info, my friend. We also forgto the famous ...Blackseal Slytech. This is a very interesting topic which should require a dedicated post. Are you in? Best, Master. Nicolas
Ah, allow me to enlighten you a little more
The Progetto Slytech Panerai was drafted in 1995 but it was completed at the end of 1996, in reading it one could easily conclude that it was sort of prepared for those interested to the buy-over Officine Panerai in Firenze (watches & instruments departme...
And a little more
Actually based on others documents I have, I am reading that GIOIE (PANERAI DISTRIBUTORE PER l'ITALIA) till the take-over by the Vendome Group, were proposing to their agents and new agents the following pieces. Documents dated 12/1996 Modelleria 1996 Pre...
Wow, that is a document, YO!
I always thought that the Blackseal Sly was ordered by Panerai ( Pre V ) to Quorum, and that Quorum delivered them in March '97, just after Vendome bought Panerai. The other interesting thing is that all the " regular " Black Seal were numbered P 001 to P...
You are correct! To begin with a 5218-218A must bear a ‘P’ engraved
on the case-back as follow: 'P 001' or 'P 002' or 'P 003' or 'P 004' or 'P 005' and no other numbers, it must be accompagnied by its matching manual/libretto. If there is no number on the case back then no possible doubt, it is simply a replica of some so...
Thanks, YO, that's exactly what I thought.
Here's a pic of one YOU know, and I know, which is authentic... Good old time... Best, nicolas Credit pic: Le petit Marseillais....
ABOUT THE 218 BLACKSEAL!!!!
Is it not true Dino Zei never mentioned the making of this watch in his book? They were planning on making it but the question remains..Were they ever made? You guys talk about 5 pieces and I know the booklets were allready made but what about the watches...
Relax will you...! responses to your questions
Read my posts above, you will find all the answers… In short… I did not ever claim that those pieces were sold directly by Officine Panerai Firenze! Dino Zei’s book does not mention the 5218-218/A because the watches, those 5 units, were completed post th...
So....
In your opinion which is not very humble... The real Black Seal Slytechs have a one or two screw Strap securing system... And what are your qualifications as the expert on these issues... You worked at Panerai SpA or just got some documents and you are no...
Ouf...
Bill, you seem to be able to form and pass fast judgment on people you do not know, as well as making a public discussion some sort of a personal matter. I profoundly dislike that. I tell you what; not that it matters, but from now on I will not answer an...
Thanks - That did say a lot.....
If you are the authority, then fine.... just let it be known why you are. And then shed some light on this topic. It is a very important topic to me. I have never heard of you before and have been on these forums for a long time. And calling something a f...
Bill, believe what you want, but
Let me tell you that under this pseudo, POY is one of the 2 or 3 real Panerai Authorities. You don't know him under this pseudo, and I don't feel authorized to give you his real name, but he's a very well known guy, and a TRUE Expert. Of course, you have ...
I have no issue with the truth
I really don't. I have been trying to get to some answers on this topic for a long time. And I'm sure you can conclude why it is so important to me. I will move this discussion to email. Thanks Bill
Bill, I perfectly understand your position.
Please send me a PM and check that you accept to receive PM, which is not the case, for the moment... We need to talk. Best, Nicolas
I have a response on this from Sig. Paci
I emailed Sig. Paci concerning PoyFR's allegations concerning the Black Seal Slytech. His response is in near complete disagreement with PoyFR's position on almost everything he wrote concerning the story about the Quorum produced pieces and the P00#'d ca...
218A
Difficult watch..So little records...but it is nice...guillermo This message has been edited by torromoto on 2009-04-12 05:02:44
No way Nicolas!
That means depriving us from 8 great arcticles my friend! I hope they appear (as in a magician's act) Best amigo. René
Well, you know, this is one which I loved a lot. Funny how this old post
Comes into the suirface! Thanks a lot, Rene, and Best, Hermano. Nicolas.
Very nice Nicolas .... until ...
Great report and a very nice watch. Love the titnaium with the brown dial. So I thought this could be one for me. And here comes the 'until' ... UNTIL I saw the price. Nice if you bought it in the 1990's but I don't understand the price I saw today ...
Great photos and info Nicolas
It is nice to read about the old stuff from panerai and learn as myself is just recently became panerai addict. alepos
The interesting thing is that we
Always learn something, with this Old Stuff, my friend. It is a pleasure to post and share this kind of watch. Thanks for your nice words, and Best! Nicolas
Merci for this history report!
Informative, as always expected from mon ami! A bientot! Stephen
Thanks, Malik
Don't know if we have to regret this rough finish, my friend. I like it, but I am also happy to see the better finish on the same movement, lik on the 127, or even better on the Cali. What I like on the 125 and on the Cali is that the finish makes the mov...
Maybe the better way would be Roug finish with "monogramme" Panerai, for pré-V like, like
000, 005, 026, etc And "Cote de Geneve" finish for historical models, like 127, 249, 232, etc...
Btw, the movement finishing on the PAM21 Rolex Cortebert Cal. 618 isn't that good IMO
Looks very raw IMO. I wish the movement were finished much better. Maybe I should ask Voutilainen or Dufour if they could refinish the movement for me Cheers, Anthony...
What you learnt a such a short time amazes me, okay a few years now ;-) but still
What you learnt in such a short time amazes me, Okay a few years now but still > You are unbelievable… to me you are now a near professional expert for sure, and even greater because you are all about information and passion with style and precision...
Great post
Thanks for the great post. Very informative and supported with very nice pics.
Always nice to know more about this absolute....beauty...
My meager contribution: a somewhat "warmer" picture of the....front...in all it's creamy splendour.. Cheers - Sergio...
After
two years this post still kicks behind .... what tells of his poster mucho btw where is POY lately miss his input a lot .... did BIIIS3 in th end believed Sig. Paci or retuned him watch D
You're such a riot, Damjan.
I know where is POY... Working and travelling a lot, lately... Best, my friend. Nikola .