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Hi friends. I have a watch powered by a 30T2 which doesn't have a case ref #, it looks like a Surevan but it's not. Please look at these pics and tell me what you think. No Ref # inside caseback But outside there is a 8 digit number there (10377043) It's ...  

Have one lying around somewhere which is a ref. 2169 with the same dial and from what I recall a pretty similar 35mm screwback case.

It really looks nice! late 40's? Best. René

Hello Hoi, nice watch you have here! I can not help with a ref# but at least I can assure you that the number on the outside of case back is the factory original serial number! Normally these "outside" serial numbers are always associated with other inscr... 

Thank you Erich. Yes, it's in very nice condition and it's strange enough for me keep it apart from the other Omegas from the same period. I will send Omega an extract request, maybe. Hi Mike. Thanks for your info, if you have a chance, please post a pic ...  

...is the earliest numerical reference number that Omega called "Seamaster": webcache.googleusercontent.com However, it was not marked on the dial. I've seen numerous vintage ads for unmarked Seamasters. The Omega database shows about a dozen different Se... 

Hi Gator. Because it was not marked (seamaster) on the dial, should we call it a Seamaster ? Not too long ago, Bill considered ref 2519 as a Seamaster but on the dial there is no Seamaster there. Some of us did not want to approve it as a Seamaster (if my... 

...there really are no rules. The late 1940's/early 1950's was just a very jumbled period for Omega. Here are some pages from a 1950 Omega Catalog: Even in this catalog (probably Swiss or French- note the Fr.'s), the reference numbers do not match the nor...  

Hi Gator, you are right about the ref## in the catalogs, they are quite different from the "real" ref## which can be found in the case backs (if available). The reason? Were the ref## in the catalogs just only for marketing purpose? Strange, isn´t it? Ple... 

... in my Photobucket account. I'm not sure if I am allowed publish the link. My user name on Photobucket is same as here. Go under "Watch Photos", then "1950 Omega Catalog". gatorcpa

Hi Gator, thank you very much for your kind information! It worked very well. I am always keen on this old publications... kind regards erich

Hi Guys Typically , depending on who this catalog was for.. The local distributor of Omega watches might only wanted to use a 3 digit number for sales ordering process . I guess in there minds who would think that you need more then 1000 unique watch IDs ... 

Hi Gator... I would not go as far as "Omega wasn't consistent" ..... i think your tripping over the beginnings Omega marketing and the art of "BRANDING"..... They did have named model watches in the past like the Marine, Armure, the doctor watch that I fo... 

was Medicus for the center seconds doctor's watch from the late 1930s

Found it in my stash of parts (don't know how it got there but it did...) Here are some quick and dirty photos - didn't have the patience to white balance correctly under the poor lighting conditions but you get the idea....  

Thanks a lot, Mike. It seems you know and memorize every watch in your huge collection. Yes, it is the one , 2169. I will write that number inside that caseback now . Again, thank you for your help. Are they rare? Best. Hoi.

Don't really know how uncommon the watch is. I suppose it is infrequent enough that it is not included in the omega vintage database.

if the number on the caseback refers to the 'serial number' it doesnt coincide with the serial number of the movement so its possible that the movement has at some time been changed for one that just happens to be older. just a thought Graham

Hi Omega movement serial number and case serial number ( pre 1945 or so). Almost never matched !! and this is typical. I think the only time it match was on the 10,000,000 watch produced where they synced up the case and movement serial number ( and maybe... 

oops !! thanks for that Bill, at least i wont get caught out in future. best Graham

Hi Graham. Yes, Bill is right. ============ I don't know if anybody here notice the finishing swirls that Omega put on "the other side" of the early 30s and T1s movements. They stopped doing that on later T2's. Here's what I mean Early 30T2 with no swirls...  

i'd happily own a dialless 30 mm like that. it looks great and is a good answer to a piece with a really ratty dial. best G

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