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I'd take a 5712.
There's just something about it that attracts me.
The caliber is great and reliable, but also pretty to behold. I also like how the microrotor allows you to view the entire top of the movement, unlike the more common full rotor (either 180- or 110-degree).
The power reserve indicator could be omitted because it's kind of redundant in self-winding watches. I prefer dials with a symmetrical layout, but I'm prone to make an exception in this instance. It could be fun to see version without the power reserve indicator as it might bring more balance to the dial.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the low water resistance, because I don't wear watches when swimming or diving. However, I do understand, if some people misses the 120 meter water resistance from a historical standpoint (i.e. 3700).
The moon phase and caliber are the deciding factors for me.
Too busy or just perfect?
Are you more of a 5712 or 5711 lover? And don't tell me "neither one" ;-)...
If I should choose,
I would probably take 5712, even better 3712. The movement is more sophisticated than 324 used in 5711 and the dial is more interesting. The strengths of 5711 are originality and 120 m water resistance. Best Kari
Thanks Kari.
Indeed, the caliber 240 was a big part of my decision. I don't regret it!
No doubt 5712 for me : a perfectly and wonderfully organized mess on this dial
I know that the original dial of Nautilus 3800 / 3700 is more the design of 5711 one but aesthetically speaking I fear I would find it a bit boring (unless 5711 P ). Since quite a time I now wear my 5712 and I find it slim, comfortable, versatile, sport c...
Thanks for your feedback Mike.
Having borrowed a friend's 5711 I can tell you it's far from boring ... The only thing that bothers me is the white date window. My personal taste goes for a more busy dial, but both are exceptional timepieces.
You forgot the 5980, which is also to be considered!
I had the same question in mind, when choosing, 10 years ago, between the 5711 and 5712... I was almost on to get the 5980. I went for the 5712, but if I had to do it again, I would go for the 5711. Why wouldn't I go for the 5980? Because the 5960A exists...
Indeed!
5980 is a nice piece, but a bit too large/thick for me, as a first (and most likely only) Nautilus that is...
Both complement each other
If you are not going to wear it while swimming and use the water resistance feature,Go for the 5712 the movement is more refined in my books. Best, Ahmed
The more complicated the better for me.
Both very nice but very different. Good luck with your decision. M
Decision already made a while ago.
I'm the proud owner of a 5712 ... just curious of other Purist's opinion.
I'd take a 5712.
There's just something about it that attracts me. The caliber is great and reliable, but also pretty to behold. I also like how the microrotor allows you to view the entire top of the movement, unlike the more common full rotor (either 180- or 110-degree)...
Thanks for the detailed feedback.
I agree with you on most points. As far as I am concerned, I like the power reserve on an automatic watch. Just to check that the movement is winding correctly (meaning enough activity from my side): when I pick-up a manual watch I an used to fully windin...
I like both. But have the 5172a already.
The moonphase is an added tool so you can tell if spring tide season is just around where the tide is highest in the month on full moon. The power reserve is to me useful also as you can make your watch rest from your wrist. Placing it in your desk at nig...
I imagine it depends on what we are used to wearing
Personally, I find it great, it has this uniqueness that some people will think is unbalanced and others will appreciate the fact it is not symetric. I personally find it totally coherent and it is the one I prefer. However, I think that getting a 5711 ca...
Thanks Mark
Indeed, both are great, and quite different. I keep loving my 5712: it has been on my wrist for almost 3 month now, and on the few occasions I wore something else, I went back to the Nautilus the next day!
I have a power reserve pet peeve...
...(among others) : ) To me, \'full\' should be \'up\' or above \'empty.\' As the power reserve grows shorter, the indicator hand should \'fall.\' Think of it as water in a glass that drops as the glass is emptied. Maybe it\'s just me, but an indicator ha...
I never thought about this...
... Now that you mention it, it is true that it would be more logical the way you describe. But don't worry, this won't bother me much. You won't ruin my pleasure
I agree!
... And yet it adds to the uniqueness of this beautifully unbalanced dial. Good ..12 to everyone! ...
It's a coin toss for me.
Really unable to decide between the two...Both modern classics for sure.
Thanks DMS!
My wife had it made for me, knowing how much I like the 5711. I hope to wear it one day to a gathering of Purists,,,
Perfect
wish i could get one from the AD though... been waiting for years on waiting list..
5711 for me
I Could never really make friends with the dial of 5712. I wish they had used the 240 in the 5711 though.
Why? Both 324 and 240 movements are used as the basis for Perpetual Calendars.
324 movement beats at 4hz as opposed to 3hz of 240.
240 is used in a number of two handed watches!
3700 is a two handed. The 920 JLC was an ultra thin movement with an interesting rotor. The PP 240 is ultra thin with a special rotor. It is Patek's reply to a thin automatic and hence more coherent with the original and with the concept of the watch. I f...
I could handle that...
My ultimate Nautilus would be steel, with a 240, no seconds hand and no date... I've gone back and forth between 5711 and 5712 and while they're both wonderful ultimately I think I prefer the uncluttered dial of the 5711. I just want to take it to the nex...
Thanks!
Actually I don\'t mind the diamond indexes, could live with them. It\'s the rest of the 40th Anniversary watch that leaves me yawning a bit... Anyway, Patek, why not give us an everyday purists\' version?!? Best E.
+1 for the 5711
Its all about harmony, balance, ying & yang, symmetry for me... but that is just me. Others find and define beauty differently, and that makes humanity beautiful! KR
5711
I am biased as I have drop the 5712 when the chance was presented. I still like the calmness on the 5711 dial.
5712 for me
5712 is a very odd ball watch.. Sports watch with a classical Mp complication and classical analog date.. and asymmetric subdial arrangement.. So quirky but somehow it all comes together really well.. And if u look at it from 7oclock, it's actually symmet...
For me 5712 is the true "Nautilus"
Why? Because it is precisely the watch that I can imagine the eccentric Captain Nemo of the eponymous submarine wearing.
patek
i love the 5712.The moon phase does for said that my dream Nautilus would be a 5726 full steel with a blue face then its game over. iqbal
Both! It's weird that this messy dial can be so balanced
It\'s a special watch, that\'s for sure. The only thing that\'s maybe a small con is that it doesn\'t has a 120m water rating. Nitpicking though.