Patek Philippe

The Patek Philippe 5070 Chronograph is truly a benchmark among manual wind chronographs. It has a very well finished movement, a super-elegant and clean dial design, and the most gorgeous case among all chronographs (this is my opinion). I especially appr... 

Speak about THE watch, give it Justice, when it is too often compared as an investment. What it is, that's more important than what it represents. I did some searches, here and there, and even if the 5070 is often mentionned, to my surprise, it has been r... 

This has to be one of the best posts for a very long time. About a year ago, I was curious as to what reference was viewed as a "favourite" for the participators on this site. I think there were hundreds of votes for top 3. The questin was not about which... 

" I'm really not at all sure what it is that makes the 5070 iconic. It just is ". That's the magic of this watch, or should I say of these 4 watches. Somtimes, indeed, feelings are more important than reason. Do we have to explain why we fell in love with... 

this one is growing on me. And it is the only one I never saw irl. So some good pictures would be apreciated

And I found nothing... I would like to, as the 5070 J amazed me a lot. The black dial, combined to the YG case, is stunningly attractive for a non colored gold guy like me. Best, Nicolas

You are welcome to come and mine if you want Eric

If in France, we can easily organize a Photo Session... If in Belgium, then Bruno could easily do it. Thanks for your offer! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-04-26 00:23:23

Dear Nicolas, Many Thanks for sharing your new 5070 with us. She is beautiful! Both I and my 5296G salute you and your excellent taste. I have greatly enjoyed your insights and fine photography. I will have to come to Paris for a visit, just to see and pl...  

It will be my pleasure to welcome you in Paris! We'll arrange a photo session with your stunning 5296. Best, and thanks for your nice comments, my friend. Best, Nicolas

...Nico, really enjoyed reading this review, learnt somthing news (as always) from it and am appreicate for your attention in fine details along the side-by-side comparisons. i am still new in watch world, don't have much knowledge on chronograph, so far ... 

With this kind of beauties, you will see how it is easy to learn fast... Take your time, learn discover, and enjoy! That is the most exciting part, in watches. Best, my friend. Nicolas

and great writ up my friend ! Cheers Jeff

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To being able to astatically compare those chronographs is a feast to the eyes. Of course apart from the PP and the Vacheron, they do not all fall in the same category, but to being able to see them together and having your point of views will surely help... 

And as you perfectly said it, everyone will have a great champion to defend, among these 4 References. No winner nor looser, here. It was only fun and pleasure to prepare and to post this topic, my friend. There is place for objectivity, and to be honest,... 

I, too, wouldn't have placed the DuoMeter next to the 5070, but it sure does reveal how far JLC has come in dial design and movement finishing, and I know that more will come in the future as JLC openly competes with those it also supplies (whereas it did... 

Because these 4 Chronos are claimed by their respective brands to belong to the category of fine Chronos. And I believe this is a fact that they all 4 belong to this category. BUT on all points, aesthetical or mechanical, there is no neat winner, IMO. I a... 

...of the 5070 and its 'peers', Nico. I too agree with you on metal not being a concern with the 5070 (like the 5970) and personally prefer the G too.

It will really depend on your own preference: Understated or more contrasted...Here, no winner nor looser, IMO. Best, Nicolas

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I really appreciated the games between these high-end chronographs. We are on top of the pyramid with these watches. Funny thing to consider that the Patek, Breguet, VC and we can add the Dubuis share the same caliber but they are very different chronogra... 

And a different expression in fine Chronos, at the end, with each of one having its own personality. Will have to see the Breguet, as this is the one I know the less. Best, my friend. Nicolas

Dear Nicolas What a great in-depth review & comparison of some true 4 masterpieces into the world of finer chronographs I agree with many of your thoughts, but would like to add 2 comments: -I really like the "wide" case on the 5070. Reminds me a bit on t... 

Any of them will make you happy, certainly. Best, and thanks for your friendly words. Nicolas

... But chronographs has for me been a "no go" area. To crowded watch, to much "non usable information". A plain 2-3-4 hand watch with maybe a date has been what i have been aiming at. These last Month has for me been an eye opener towards chronographs, a... 

Where possible, I look forward to your detailed side-by-side of the 5070 and the 5170 if you are planning one. Fantastic article! COngrats my friend!

Maybe another PP Chrono, but an automatic one...Maybe. Best, and thanks a lot for your nice words. Nicolas

Yes, they are your opinions, but they are held in the highest regard by so many here, including me. Thanks so much for sharing them, and for sharing all of those photographs. Much food for thought there. Best, Jed

It was well worth the wait and though I don't pretend to understand everything that was discussed and even able to pronounce some of the technics. I have marvelled at the photos and the stunning craftmanship and detail of each of the Chronographs mentione... 

The only thing I regret with it is that when I wear it, people say " Aaah;, this is the famous PP Chrono " when they should say the same about the 3 others... But hey, that must be the " rancon de la gloire "... Best, Nicolas

This is only my opinion, my friend. To me, it is difficult to glorify the 5070, or to bash it. It is as worth as the 3 others, no less, no more. They all are very worthy on their respective ground. That was the purpose of my post. Humbly. Best, my friend,... 

Even I enjoyed this, and I don't even like chronos! Very well done! Asi

Wow, that's a compliment, my friend. Best, Asi ( Sit Down ). Nicolas

I had the pleasure to "play"with your chronos.I must say your post ,especially the comparisons part,was so clear and beautifully organized. Well done Nico.Your passion is Inspiring my friend. Of course I am new in the game and still struggle to "get" the ... 

And you know that I, for one, am not speaking about its value, as it is a totally negative point for me. I don't even see the name of the brand on the dial. What I see is the watch in itself, and I must say that I also appreciate a lot the new Vintage 66 ... 

Absolutely not my friend,You choose your girlfriend sometimes against what your mind and reason tells you ,,,,,,and you passionately love her. I am just a disciple trying to dissect and find a reason to everything still.So pardon my pragmatic wiew,what mo... 

for me Lange and JLC are so much nicer.The 5070 totally lacks elegance,while Lange and JLC accoplished the task to make a chono that looks elegant too. I know this site almost seems to be a "5070 worship site " ,therefore I am prepared for Your critizism,... 

It is always goood to hear some different sounds, sometimes. If not, it would be boring! I will certainly not criticize you, my friend. I don't think that the 5070 " kills " all the other Chronographs ", by far. But it is a matter of taste, some will love... 

Once again, you've come up with a magnificient post ! Even if i don't share all your views on this watch (as if it matters ;-) ), many thanks for this excellent review of an iconic watch from PP. The cherry on the cake, excellence of your article has gene... 

Was to create some interesting debate on the fine manual chrono movements, Spiff, certainly not that everyone agrees with my personal, hance partial analyzis, even if I tried to argue it the best I could. And I think we got an interesting discussion. The ... 

Thanks for taking the time to post this. My favorite of the bunch is the Datograph, followed by the 5070, VC Malte Chrono, then your favorite the JLC. Good thing they make chocolate and vanilla! Tony

What matters is that we're mad about our favourite, whatever is OUR favourite. Passion is all! Thanks for your answer. Best, Nicolas.

Nico, what a collection you have, Is AP and RM 11 comparable high end chronograph? If you have to choose among them, which one is your most favorite, : ))))))) just curious, seems you like the duometre more, thanks again Eddy

Which AP are you referring to? If it is a ROO, no, I don't see them as my favourites, and can't see them featuring here, as to me, only a manual movement can compete with these " 4 aces ". Which leads us to the RM 011. Again, I don't count it among the pr... 

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It's great to see it again on the front page and I need to read this once more very carefully. A fantastic review. Best, Kari

Still remember that cult post...7 years already...my gosh.... So many people left and some many arrived some stayed for good Cheers D

Nah. The date is wrong is only 20 months ago. 2 years max. (I refuse to believe that we are getting older)

Thanks for this extremely well presented and thoughtful review of a cult watch and contenders. Really great topic, very interesting to the community as the number of views reflect (41k at the time of my post!!). Keep them coming! Alex

I own the 5070 and the Dato and it would be impossible for me to choose one of them over the other, they just complement each other! The 5070 is more intellectual and classic, the Dato is IMO more sexy and I like to dress it down with colorful straps as y... 

The good news is there are not that many chronographs in this category. How many? 5, 6? You already own the two most difficult to fund. The Duometre is the third one, in terms of funds. The Vacheron is below, and more affordable, the Dubuis. The absolute ... 

... Had it in my hands at MB Zurich, didn't pull the trigger, I might regret...this is what happens when you feel guilty about the (too) many watches you have! But life turns around, I will probably end up owing it, or another iteration, honestly MB being... 

and tell you what bites and pieces appeal to us the most as we complete a very well thought out meal. The toast is in the opinions of all these watches and what the PuristS are seeing, feeling and knowing about each piece. Thank you very much for a great ... 

Your review gets my vote! Thanks Nico for such a thorough and passionate write-up! J

and a testament to your style, dear Nicolas Of all the options, tue salmon VC is my clear favourite, but as you said, everyone has his own truth and preferences. Thanks again for a marvelous posting, Alex

Nico , an amazing body of work which is really appreciated. Thanks for all the hard work It us much appreciated Julian

Though would say when it comes to 5070s, "there can be only one" https://m.

And they didn't do better, at the exception, maybe, of the 5370P for its enamel dial and its rattrapante. A kind of " king of cool". And a very good one. All the best, my friend. Nicolas

Thanks for your post. The 5070 5170 are fine chronos from Patek. Cheers my friend. Geross.

Every post with a 5070, 5110 or 5970 are great ones but this was very interesting reading your thoughts about it. I knew that article but wasn't on PuristSPro at the time it was posted I think. So I post now! This reference is a little legend on its own. ... 

I have to wait for sometime before hunting a P,But it\'s worth the wait. Best, Ahmed

... Antological work from your plume... And camera! Awesome photography to illustrate your words! Of course all lovely and top timepieces! I have an special fondness for the PP, but any of them could make a happy man of me! The salmon dial against the whi... 

Thanks Nico for the amazing article and Bill for the bump. A wonderful discussion! Reminds me of my early days staying up all night pouring over every word of this and many other threads. Have a good week everyone! Cheers, Brandon

it is a stunning watch. One of my favourites.

Very nice, impressive and informative read!! Now let me firstly state that the 5070 is a beautiful watch, maybe an icon even. Personally I would love to own the YG with black dial because I feel the yellow gold makes it a bit more special in this period o...  

(thank god for people with a sense of humor) ps Are you going to Zagreb as well?

All the best sorting that out! I\'ll try to make it to Paris this summer when padj comes over (if I\'m welcome of course and all works out)

Fantastic i have read it many times than enjoy looking at my 5070r