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I'm with you on this one!
I think an "unsigned Calatrava" would be an exquisite thing to have! Since my last post I have also identified the Sarpaneva "emali" as another watch that I fell in love with first then realised later that it had an unsigned dial... Also deserving of special mention are the brothers Groenfeld! In just two models (One Hertz and now Parallax), they have developed such a strong identity that their watches are instantly identifiable with or without a name on the dial (and certainly once you look at the case-back!!). Over some cold beer I pointed this out and Tim gave it some deep thought before Bart said "we'll make you one without if you like", which beautifully illustrates the joy of dealing with "indies"; or maybe they're just great guys! (",)
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5032J-012 Millenium: A commemorative piece from Patek Philippe which we didn´t talk about
for a very long time - about ten years, if I am correct. The watch I am talking about is kind of special without being complicated, for several reasons and a former moderator at PuristS even wrote: The Millenium model is so not Patek that I love it So...
Thanks Oliver for showing this "oddity" and yet a very...
interesting watch !! IMO, the design carries DNA of older Pateks and is not a year 2000 look. Overall I like this reference and I wish that it comes with a darker brown strap and a dark blue ruby, thus making it more MASCULINE (which is a topic of my rece...
"darker brown strap and a dark blue ruby"
Gordon, maybe I found something for you on my computer. One picture with a dark blue crown - only had to darken the strap with photoshop. Or second option, which I like a lot, with a simple (regular production) crown. Best, Oliver
thanks Oliver, this version with a blue diamond crown is...
much better, especially with a darker strap. I like the Patek logo too and, as mentioned previously, feel the overall design has older PP DNA from the 30s to 50s. But others do not feel it has Patek DNA. What is your view on this point ? Cheers, Gordon
Wow at first sight. Thanks Oliver
for sharing. Love it, except Dauphine hands which are too common IMHO. Vintage WT hands with 3 end flowers for the hour hands should have my favor (I do not remember the ref number). Nevertheless, there are some lucky owners all over the world. Cheers, Pa...
Patrick, was it this one ...
... you had in mind - ref. 1415? That would be even more spicy :-) Thanks! Oliver ...
YES. I would love these hands on this 5032 model
Thanks for this nice photo Oliver, Patrickh
An intriguing piece indeed Oliver
I wasn't into watches at that time, thus I discover it now. As you sumed up, it so different from any Patek I could see (except the Dauphine hands). The gem-set cabochon is a detail I like today a lot, even if it is something I see more in a Cartier watch...
"there is a lot to discover in that museum..."
Yes and if you change your focus each time you will find something different & interesting each time. I love that place :-) Cheers, Oliver
lovely ref
Beautiful case reminding of old references 2551/2525/3433 and I think some other(s) , nice dial, even if the 2 is surprising. The ruby is really unusual, I don't know if I like it, Overall a true Beauty, remained quite unknown thanks for sharing
Yes, I see what you are talking about ...
Would you prefer this (less fancy) version of the 5032? Cheers, Oliver ...
Tough question
personnality or classicism, normally I go to eprsonnality but the ruby is not my stuff. And These Kind of romantic shape in White Gold are terrific... so I would rather go conservative for once thanks for adding Images ;) François
Its a very sexy watch.
Totally very masculine & very sexy watch. Like a watch made for a lover boy. Very nice , the oddity just right. My opinion. Cheers Geross
Not my piece of cake
Reminds me of a mix of a vintage Patek with some Breguet sauce on top of it... However that 2597 (or at least I think it is), for me one of the all time top 10 of Patek. If money would not be an issue....that would be my next Patek. Thx for sharing these ...
Dirk, I am not surprised that you prefer ...
... something more understated yet sophisticated :-) Best my friend! Oliver ...
From far a Chopard under scrutiny a Patek oddity :-)
Another example of the fact that Patek can do some unique looking pieces in their own line up. Looks very conservative but gets away with the quirky looking "2". As an Ellipse-fan: I would like it on a black strap! Thanks for the pictures. Moritz
Moritz, I think it would suit you very well.
Black is also fine, but I think it should be a more "classic" one which is thinner - like shown on older Ellipse pieces. Cheers, Oliver ...
Odd ball.
Actually, the word "weird" came to mind. That's probably just the Jersey in me speaking out loud. But odd ball, for a Patek. I could see this as another brand's watch-not sure who. Keep on looking at it and I start to notice little details that I like ver...
"Odd ball"
That´s fine, as we don´t have to share the same taste - all the time :-) Thanks! Oliver
not my cup of tea!!
the single breguet numeral "2" looks odd to say the least; the cabochon on the crown is so Cartier; just my $0.02 did it come with a solid case back? Thanks for sharing; very interesting piece indeed; a real oddity from Patek
Some of the details have been shown at PPs ...
in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and the cabochon crown could be from the 80s. Only the Breguet 2, I haven´t seen at a PP before. Yes, there was no sapphire back. Thanks! Oliver
I recall seeing this piece!
It was on display in the PP boutique Geneva, back in the days... I inquired about it, and was told that it was a boutique only piece, but sold out.
"sold out"
I know that sentence very well as I heard it sooo often ;-) Thanks! Oliver
DNA is a critical part of a watch....
....when I buy a JLC, I want that watch to demonstrate its JLC DNA. Likewise, if i want a Panerai on my wrist (which i occasionally do), I want it to give me that Panerai feeling. The 5032 is so unlike a Patek that it fails for me on this basic criterion....
Try to keep this watch....
in your family for an entire millennium. :) Regards Edward
Baron, there is lots PP DNA shown ...
from my point of view (see also some of my replies above) and only the crown and especially the 2 is uncommon. But maybe it is the mix that you don´t like!? Best, Oliver
uhmmm..... puzzle me this?
If you took PP off the dial and asked 100 people who knew watches who the manufacturer was, dii you think many would say PP?
Probably not, but the same could happen ...
if you take away the logo/brand of quite a few vintage pieces from UN, VC, GP, UG and so on. I agree, the 5032 Millenium is quite different and not common for PP - at least on the first view, but if we look in detail ... Well, I was aware that not everybo...
100% agree.....
.....i love discussions like this....and we all differ in tastes....the beauty about "taste" is that there is no definitional correct.....taste is personal. Thats why we can differ without any issue. I once read a great quote.... "we are all entitled to o...
Just my opinion...
I couldn't help thinking after I read your comment: If you took the name off the dial, nobody would even give it a second look; it's only interesting because it's "so not Patek" Personally, I don't think it is a very attractive design with or without the ...
No signing and focus on design DNA ...
is something I appreciate as well, but this is probably VERY difficult to sell in bigger quantities. People (Mr Smith & Co) quite often believe in (strong) brands, only. Strong brands (WITH logo on it) can sell even "crap" relatively easy, at least sh...
Some interesting points secretlife...
I personally did not like DB28 looks but I trust it to be a exeptional instrument desired by colectors. Can you imagine wearing a Calatrava without a name on the dial? Would you feel comfortable that only you and your watchmaker know the secret of this ti...
I'm with you on this one!
I think an "unsigned Calatrava" would be an exquisite thing to have! Since my last post I have also identified the Sarpaneva "emali" as another watch that I fell in love with first then realised later that it had an unsigned dial... Also deserving of spec...
Yes, thank you for sharing your...
thoughts. I totally agree. I did litle bit of exploring of the Gronefeld brand and I must say that their watches are simply beautiful, I especially fell in love with the One Hertz watch. Dial's finishing is out of this world! Regards Edward