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Indeed, I new it would be tough but was curious to know how vintage Calatrava lovers feel about this one
I'm glad to read you liked it Joe. It is definitely a nice experience even if, if it works, it is indeed painful to resist 
Tell us when you try it again!
I hesitated before going again today but I was not far enough.
Thank your for your kind words and have a nice week-end Joe.
Cheers, Mark
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Hands-on Review of the Patek Philippe 5227R
Dear Patek fellows, Before being able to have a look at the new 5227G with black dial presented earlier this year at Baselworld, I could try the Patek Philippe 5227R version. Let me tell you that it has been a memorable experience for me. As you have cert...
what a beauty
mark thank you for the review this is a beautiful watch and i will be looking into it wow really elegant god bless
Thank you Feelthy, I'm glad you enjoyed it
This is indeed a nice reference to discover (or re-discover). Cheers, Mark
The RG is probably the best
And I have yet to try it. I tried YG and liked it but the WG, I found terrible. The ivory dial is not my cup of tea but against some colored gold case, it kind of work. I think the black dial WG is nicer than the white dial one. I saw it at BaselWorld but...
I didn't see how an ivory or creme dial looked with the G reference
I was told it is a different dial color but couldn't check it by myself. Indeed, I'm curious to see how the black dial G ref. looks like. Soon I hope! Do not hesitate to update your comments when you can see the RG, it would be interesting to know. Thanks...
Looks very nice on your wrist
Lovely review and great photos. I like this watch a lot, not something I would rush to add but mostly since it does not fit with my lifestyle. One thing I am curious to understand is why they decided to upsize it from what surely is a perfect size at 37 t...
It's my pleasure keks!
To be frank, I never thought I would be back to a 2 or 3 hands watch again. I always felt I needed to have at least on or tow, even little complications. However, I tried this one maybe one month ago and didn't stop thinking about it since. So I went toda...
Interesting
Great review Were you also trying the 5235 whilst you were there? Interesting for me since I am also considering not more complications for my next watch but a simple 2 or 3 hand watch and also in rose/pink gold (which I always considered a big no-no for ...
You are eagle-eyed!
Yes, I saw it in a window in 2012 and not only once since then. So it was a very intereting opportunity to hold it and study it. First, I'm usually not keen on brushed dials but that's very personnal. However, in the metal, the brush streams look so thin ...
Mark
Super review. You have made me resolve to try it on next time I am in London. Bad! When it was released, I loved it. But have never had one on my wrist. Will be interesting to compare with some of my vintage Calatravas
Indeed, I new it would be tough but was curious to know how vintage Calatrava lovers feel about this one
I'm glad to read you liked it Joe. It is definitely a nice experience even if, if it works, it is indeed painful to resist Tell us when you try it again! I hesitated before going again today but I was not far enough. Thank your for your kind words and hav...
This is indeed something we are many to be curious about
And not only the P: the G black dial and, as far as I'm concerned, the G eggshell dial I didn't see yet but which looks very interesting too. I'm leaning toward the simple Calatrava pieces too, Joe (though not vintage yet): it is going to be difficult to ...
Vintage
I've pulled out my Patek book and started looking at the 40's to 70's Calatravas and there are some great references. I think I have a preference for the 50's and 70's, but these are just first steps Cheers, Mark
edit that "simple" comment....
.....2508 just sold for CHF 50k in Geneva.......pfffffff.
I see! A little high for my project but
I'm listing all the models which attract me and see how it looks in terms of budget. I'll come back to you on this subject
Beautiful
These are the nicest pictures I have seen so far of the 5227R. I can't wait to hold one in the metal. I wish you have not posted such tempting photos, but now that you have done so I can only thank you!
It is not a watch we see much in reviews
...but really thought I liked it so much it deserved a little attention! You're too kind, thank you very much Ed. I can only wish you to try one as soon as you can, it is a nice experience when liking watches and especially Calatravas. Cheers, Mark
Without the date, it would have been an interesting one.
With the date, it looks more " common ". Best, Nicolas
Well, maybe in the future they will :)
They have 2 or 3 hands only models without date but it is the "clous de Paris" references 5116, 5119 or 5120, so it is really different and not at all the same style and not as versatile. I guess that for someone liking no date dials for dressy watches, o...
P version
I never could see this version but indeed I heard in the past the dial looked great in the metal. The small movement can be an element to consider even if I think it is hidden behind a plain caseback (if I'm not wrong).
Again Mark, thank you
for a great review. I expect that this reference will be the one which will appear during the couple of next years in platinum. I will be shopping then. Such a watch would make a fantastic pair to 5196P. Best, Kari
Indeed it would!
The 5196 is very appealing and the case is so different from the 5227's that it will be very complementary, imho (without mentioning a different caliber and caseback). As you do, I expect a Pt version to complement the 5227 family. With another dial than ...
Thanks Mark,
I have my wife and small daughter with me in London. I'm afraid that Saturday means Xmas shopping. But on the other hand, Christmas is only once per year while we need to celebrate the New Year every year. If doing the Christmas shopping tomorrow, then it...
Great review
This is a watch I love. So simple yet beautiful. I always thought I would like the 5227G best but I\'m not sure if the dial looks that good with the white gold. I think the new black face and white gold might be a winner. So sharp.
Choices
Well, I've just been able to try the 5227R seriously but couldn't see the WG version yet. I presume the eggshell colors will play nicely with the colder WG case but only the "live" experience will tell. I'll try to have alook at it but, until then, yes, i...
This is the blue I like from Patek (especially in this year's 6000G)
but I wonder if I feel it will match well with the Calatrava? I think I'm more with the black on this one. As the G already has the black, then maybe a white enamel dial (like the 5116 has?)... or Salmon as the gorgeous London 5070? I've seen the 5496P's ...
In platinum
with salmon dial I will be in the waiting list from the day of introduction. Best, Kari
When you place
platinum to your wrist, you will get a very special solid feeling and after that other metals feel nearly like fakes. Best, Kari
Ah Platinum
I'm not at all a Pt guy, for a unique reason: too heavy for me. I am skinny, thus I don't have a thick skin on the wrist. Hence, a heavy watch is not comfortable at all, especially when the watche moves on the wrist. And I think I prefer WG's hue to the P...
Eat pork and sausages
in order to get weight. And add a lot of beer. So after a couple of years of German diet, platinum will feel light. Seriously: for me it's partly about the material and its heaviness but partly also the colour. When I compare the colour of i.e. my 5575G t...
lol, I'll try to follow your advice Kari!
You're not the only one I discuss with who tells me he sees the difference, and that Pt looks brighter (better). I should get two watches side by side to reconsider my opinion one day. Cheers, Mark
Excellent review Mark!
I love this 5227 too especially in RG. The 5127 was also nice but I wasn\'t sure about the crown guard The only problem I find with the 5227 is perhaps the price lol. Personally I would go for an annual calendar with a bit of top up Cheers Robin
With your Dato I know you're not reluctant to go for this metal
Your approach is indeed something I also think about: when I consider something, evolve in budget and finally realize that I can reach other ones, even more complicated. For instance a 5711, 5726.... very tempting too. However, I think I would really pref...
This watch is breathtakingly beautiful...
thank you Mark for taking the time to give us the evaluation , I also hope to see a black dial in platinum although the yellow gold does it for me Best Edward
Your title sums-up the way I feel
It is a pleasure to share Edward, especially when we find something we feel so special. The black dial has been unveiled this year at Baselworld already but in a white gold case. So I think what they'll have to choose another color for the P reference. As...
Thank you Mark for your response. Good thoughts! There are so many combinations....
Salmon dial on 5227 P very interesting Love it. Cheers Edward
Mark, thanks for this nice review. I bought...
the 5227R first just after it was released, and then bought the G a few months later. I intended to add the J, but have not yet done so. The early pieces had the model/serial engraving on the inside, but then Patek changed to the clean inner back as you n...
I remember the pictures of your pair of 5227 Dave
I admired them quite a nice number of time since the last month I'm glad you share your thoughts about WG vs RG as it is still something to consider as they look all as appealing. Thanks, it helps making a decision. The RG seems to be the perfect color (a...
Mark, thanks for this review. I had the opportunity to see this piece at an AD recently,
and for some reason I was not so impressed. Do not know why. Maybe because the Date disc was not centered or the charm of the model it is replacing, the 5127 is missing. I find its equivalent from VC - the Patrimony automatic with date - reference 85180 -...
I'm glad you enjoyed it kpk.
What you experienced is perfectly understandable. Calatrava's, yet simple watches, have small details evolutions from a generation to the other, but which can lead to love or really not liking them; being excited or remaining cold. Especially as liking a ...
I know you are a fan of this dial combination!
But I'm not sure if the the Breguet numerals will look nice with this case. I'd love to have this layout in the 5296 or 5496 I think. Thanks for the compliment Imran Cheers, Mark _____________________
Warmest thanks for this fantastic review, Mark!
I love the warm, soft, sophisticated dial and the superb, refined execution of the whole watch. It is very special and looks perfectly on your wrist. Perhaps my next Patek? I just wonder how it would look with a date disc in the same colour as the dial. W...
My pleasure Thomas!
Indeed, the dial color makes it very soft and warm. I think it is 100% homogen that way, in every details. I must say I pay attention to the disk's color (I noticed it but personally didn't trouble me). The 5227G Black dial from this year will have a blak...