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No explanations.
Hi Gordon,
I have got no explanations. From one PP employee just "I am not surprised that it is not available".
I think there are a couple of scenarios:
1. Patek is keeping the production numbers low in order to make the watch relatively rare.
2. Patek is slowing down the production before discontinuing this reference.
A basic Calatrava with the same movement is costing more. In the end there is very little gold in the case and for sure, the production costs of Nautilus are higher. By keeping the production numbers of Nautilus low, perhaps PP hopes to channel the demand to other watches. Who knows...
At the same time AP was very straight and honest when they said more or less the following: "We keep intentionally the production numbers of 15202 low. We want to keep this reference rare and exclusive. At the same time our 15400 is readily available".
Never mind why 5711 is so elusive, I wanted badly to get this watch. I found it but it wasn't easy.
Best, Kari
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Do I smell smoke without fire?
I have been hunting a brand new 5711 for quite a while: Patek Salon in Geneva replied "3 years, for very good clients 1 year". Patek's London Salon did not even bother to answer even I have been their client. I visited Patek's Boutique in Singapore and th...
Makes sense
AP went full-on during their 40th anniversary: Considering how brands have been using (or some say overusing) various anniversaries to release new watches in higher price tier, Patek might be tempted to do the same.
Hi Kari, 5711 is a basic and popular Nautilus. I wonder why...
the production is so limited ? Any explanations by the ADs? Thanks and looking forward to your post, Gordon
No explanations.
Hi Gordon, I have got no explanations. From one PP employee just "I am not surprised that it is not available". I think there are a couple of scenarios: 1. Patek is keeping the production numbers low in order to make the watch relatively rare. 2. Patek is...
Last June when I got tge pair of 5726/5711 white, my AD had the blue as well...
try calling the Carribean island AD...they had it on display...but again, it was 7 months ago. 40th year is a good milestone, but who knows, it's touchy to modify a classic design, just like BMW 3 series inline 6 engines....after so many years of winning ...
Thanks Raymond,
Can you give a hint: which island? BMW has changed their engines mostly to four cylinder engines. I do not like that! I always loved the 6 cylinders and thus, ordered my wife a "shopping bag": 435i Cabriolet X-Drive. I ordered is a feminine car with red l...
production is kept low
they do not want to be type cast by one model as another well known company did.
Probably true.
I got from AP their anniversary book "Royal Oak" from 2012. In that book they state that in some markets Royal Oak is a better known brand than Audemars Piguet. Best, Kari
AP CEO said...
the Royal Oak will remain their most popular model. I think they are approx. at 60% of profits from various RO references.
I think it is quite natural.
In my opining RO is by far their nicest and the most iconic model family. Best, Kari
Just a few thoughts ...
The production is kept low for good reasons, because it helps to keep the magic and (I guess) the production costs are relatively high - especially for the bracelet and the case. The business case should be better for the more pricey watches from the Naut...
Thanks Oliver,
Both 5711 and 15202 are very fine watches and worth of tracking till finding one. I fully agree what you are saying about the production costs and I would go even a bit further: 5711 & 5712 represent the best value of all Patek Philippe watches. Best,...
Agent Kari, your next job is ...
to do a very detailed comparison about 5711 and 15202 (including finishing of case, bracelet etc.) - once you owned them both for some time. Will you accept? :-) "5711 & 5712 represent the best value of all Patek Philippe watches." I can follow here, ...
Mind-reader!
Dear Oliver, This year, 2015, is my Gerald Genta year. I will be wearing 365 days of four creations of GG: AP 15202, RO QP, Nautilus 3712 and 5711. First I will wear each watch a bit longer time and follow also their time keeping. After each session I wil...
About a year ago...
For my big 40. I bought my Nautilus from my local had both the blue and the white dial. I ended up with the white. I was there again a couple of weeks ago and was talking to the owner and he said the Nautilus has been only come in 2 more times since my p...
Thanks JEC
It is true, 3712 is in its own class. I had some nasty experiences and one good one with this watch: I ordered it on the same day when it was introduced. My AD promised to get it but claimed later that he never got one. I was the first one to order the wa...
I can imagine
That every 3712 most have an interesting story behind it. I would love to add one in the future or even a 5712 would be great. It think it would make a great companion for my 5711 White dial. Kari...Thank you for sharing your story on the 3712. Best, Javi...
There are still some 3712 around.
I would get it before all of those go to the safes of collectors. My feeling is that people do not yet fully understand that 3712 is the last Nautilus constructed according to Gerald Genta's original design. Best, Kari
low production
It's just a case of Patek keeping the production low, like people already mentioned, it makes you want it more, maintains the exclusivity, and Patek wants you to buy the higher end model where margin is better. And Thierry Stern have publicly said he does...
I had difficulties
to live with this philosophy. Till I found my 5711 - now it's much easier... Best, Kari
AP
All this talk about the RO ultra thin makes me want to get one. I have and love the 5711. Actually, I have owned three in blue. Bought and sold the first two. The first had the 315 movement. I said would buy again and never sell. Great fit and comfort, gr...
Just get 15202...
I have it on my wrist when writing this. I have owned several Nautilus since 2005 and I have never experienced the same as with the RO. I stop watching the case and the bracelet of the watch several times every day. The design and the balance are stunning...
I agree ..try the AP :)
I own the nautilus (but with white dial that also came with a long delay) just wanted to say that the 15202 is indeed a great alternative - overall if feels a bit younger than the nautilus but as you know this is a matter of personal taste. I love the AP ...
In the end
Businesses everywhere are the same, they want to sell you more of the products where they have higher margin, and they want to charge you as much as they can get away with. I am in the manufacturing business, the company that I work for sells parts made b...
Always a challenge to find the model I want, and I want so many...
I suppose there is the comfort in selecting the right brand, when a desirable time piece is so hard to come by. I had the pleasure of enjoying my 5711 blue dial for a little while, but the 5712 had always caught my eye from the moment i first saw it. That...
I hav never really understood
why people with slender wrist go for the biggest watches. I.e. Nautilus 3800 (or 5800 if you can find it) is a fantastic watch and it looks great on a slender wrist. I hope mine would not be 8 inches as 3800 is so bloody much cheaper that 3700. Like you s...
Simple answer
Modern time pieces have trended towards significantly larger sizes, limiting the availability of what appeals to some men. Hopefully, the dinner plate special trend simmers down soon.
Recently, I realised that………
The 5711 would soon reach it's 10th anniversary, so I would not be surprised to them mark the occasion. How or with what remains to be seen.