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Priviet Russian Bear!
I saw the same a short while ago and the price was close to € 100k. It wasn't there anymore.
I think there are two ways of seeing the situation:
1. To buy something in order to sell it for the sake of profit, is totally unacceptable.
2. However, the buyer is also the owner of the watch and he has all the legal rights to sell it if he wants. This can happen i.e. when the watch does not feel good to wear. Why to keep a lot of money standing in the safe?
But watches belonging to the 2nd group are always used and sold as preowned. If a rare watch is sold sealed/double sealed one can just conclude that the seller is a greedy bastard. Such a seller is for sure an aficionado but just a guy who is running after a couple of bucks.
Best, Kari
I have a problem a positive problem...
I got today an unexpected call from an AD friend. He told me that he has kept two Anniversary Watches waiting for me: 5575G and 5975G He added that I can buy one if I want. I did not even think about buying one because I thought it would be too difficult....
If you don't know, then pass. After all, if your AD offers you those, they may not be as
Hot as announced... And if you don't know, it is not Worth considering one of them. Best, Nicolas
Thanks Nico,
an intersting approach. I have not seen the watches in metal so it's hard to say. I think both are quite interesting and in a way very exceptional Pateks. Best, Kari
Good advice.
Although I know I'd take the Chrono. But if one is unsure, why take a chance and be unhappy later.
I tried hard to get a 5975G when it was anounced
but I guess in France, with only one AD, their are a lot of clients looking for one. If I had found one abroad I would have got it already. I love its case and bezel, much more interesting than the 5170's one, even if the 5170's case, more simple, is more...
Thank you Mark. I really appreciate your opinion.
When I have made up my mind, I will let you know by PM. It might take some time because my business schedules are quite tight and it takes some time before I can see the watches in metal. Luckily, the AD promised to keep the watches till I get the time. I...
It's always easier
When you are decided on a watch, and then go hunting for it. In this way it's you who are doing the driving. When watches are offered, it's always a bit confusing because you are being asked to make a decision on something you May have not considered. Is ...
Thanks Thornteq
I did not consider these watches because I thought those are not available. I have earlier decided to get either 5170G or 5370P. An automatic chronograph would also make a nice pair to a manual winding chrono... Best, Kari
5975
but in Pt. If you prefer white metals - I like the 5975P best, of course I understand that is not what you have been offered but you should look at these anniversary pieces and ask yourself which one you would get regardless of what you just got offered. ...
heads or tails,...
... both are great, you cannot go wrong with either. Now i have a slight preference for the 5575G, as the white gold on the 5975G in combo with that dial, makes it a bit cold ( dry ). Works best with J and R,... and of course P. The 5575G is simply stunni...
I do not think the time is a problem.
The AD promised to keep those and I understood that he has wisely kept these aside for clients who are also considering something "big". I have a dilemma between 5370P vs. 5078P as my "final" watch. That gives some bargaining power because I will buy eith...
Kari, let me tell you the following. I thought about it one more time... And ...
1. 5575 is great piece of art but, readability is poor and second, Moscow time is wrong - which is important for me. Athough I like this watch a lot - reason to move from Moscow to Toscana maybe:) 2. Chrono - I dont get it at all. If you are going to buy ...
Thank you Ed. Words of wisdom!
I will get next week the Anniversary book and will have a closer look at the watches. However, these watches do not drive me crazy even they are nice. Ed, are you a hunter? You speak like one. Many Russians are great bear hunters and I have been hunting U...
Is the Ursus Arctos......
really the # 1 trouble maker in the world? Why is that? Eating too much honey or is it perhaps because it doesn't like to be hunted that much;) As for the watch, having seeing and tried the 5575G, I would go with the 5270G blue dial. Cheers Francois
I will give just the short version of explanation.
Ursus Arctos a.k.a. Eurasian Brown Bear, in America known as Grizzly Bear ,is one of the most magnificent wild animals outside Africa. In some parts of Europe, the animal is relatively common. Brown Bear is a mixed feeder, in other words it's eating both ...
Right, the bear in the nature is extremely dangerous...
Especialy when you see the how it's runnnig and its speed. It's a forest tank. Sorry for off topic, but I'm trying not to hunt the animals I am not going to eat. Ducks, deer and elk. I don't accapet the hunt just for the fan. It's terrible. But the runnin...
Fun...
Have you ever seen how the bear climbs to the tree? It goes fast! I had last night the dinner in a Russian restaurant. The had on the menu Siberian pelmenis (= a kind a ravioli) filled with bear meat. Have you tried? (I do not like the taste of structure ...
Couldn't agree more with you....
... on all you've said. And that 5270G is one of those great watches that is still unknown, and will get the recognition it deserves.
I don't really agree on the chrono point
even if I agree on other matters :) For me the 5975 chrono is not a usual 2 subdials chrono. It is a measurement instrument for 3 types of data: Speed, heartbeats and distance seperating an event from the oberver. Thus, the "chrono" doesn't need more than...
Mark, thank you for your comment and I would
100% agree with you on that: Concerning the 2 pushers vs Monopusher, I would find the 2 pushers choice more balanced aesthetically speaking (even if I like the monopusher too). The problem of the monopusher is that it is usually bigger and sometime is not...
Agree with nico.....
They aren't that hard to get, and I'm sure you know these watches as well as anyone. You have seen all the photos, read all the reviews, probably tried them on, so..... There is no problem, buy or pass them both! If not possible then flip a coin, clearly ...
Sorry, you are wrong.
I did not imagine that I could get one. I have not seen the watches in metal and only yesterday I started to look at the pictures more carefully as well as to read the articles. In other words, I know much less about these watches that about Patek's produ...
Well.....
Since they have slipped under your radar ever since announcement then you probably should pass Regards
despite some criticism both are beautiful pieces
While you're being offered the 5975G, the J to me really goes the best. Beautiful dial and it has that vintage feel. The case is absolutely phoenominal in the flesh and while I it does lack sub dials the whole thing works for me. I have many chromos both ...
With those options ...
I would choose the 5975G in a heartbeat, for several reasons. Oliver
You are very clear, thank you.
Would you like to specify a bit, please. I have also been thinking about EDJA's comments. Both are nice watches but those will not put me on fire. Patek has some nicer ones and still, I will buy only a limited amount of Pateks. Two this year. Okay, in the...
Let me explain a few reasons ...
PP did a multiple-scale instrument with a twist. There was a time when people wanted to calculate speed (tachymeter), measuring distances (telemeter) and measuring pulse rate (pulsimeter) – nothing more, nothing less. Some may call it an oddity, but not m...
I will tell me my decision I made 10 minutes ago
if you promise you will not tell anybody! Okay, I will send you PM. Without mentioning what I selected, you are free to comment it here. Best, Kari
That's absolutely ridiculous - I just have seen two 5575 on grey market
you can easily find it on one of the web-sites ( don't want to mention it though). How it could be?!?! Given the number of production and it's rare how these basta@rds got them?! Sorry for bad words I have used here, but I'm really angry like Russian brow...
Hi EDJA, 5575 in grey market: well, we are also seeing
a double factory sealed brand new 5575 in the upcoming Sothebys auction in Hong Kong during early April. How did this happened??!! Guess either ADs playing games or large customers decide to profit from this situation. No matter what, Patek has previously...
5575
Many times Patek bids on these watches at the auction. I am not sure they will with the 5575. They are producing 1300 of these, which is a large number. I have seen the 5575 at an AD, while being held for another client. It is a very interesting watch. Ho...
hi watch-guy, your comment "unless released with the blessing of PP to test the market?"
is a thought provoking one !! It made me think of the twists, turns and suspense presented in a show like "24" !! LOL !!
hi watch-guy, I saw on the Sothebys site that the 5575 went for
HK$1,000,000 (US$128,000) including buyer's premium Irrespective, still a nice profit for someone, and congrats to all 5575 PuristS owners but not that PuristS will sell (so paper and theoretical profits only)
Priviet Russian Bear!
I saw the same a short while ago and the price was close to € 100k. It wasn't there anymore. I think there are two ways of seeing the situation: 1. To buy something in order to sell it for the sake of profit, is totally unacceptable. 2. However, the buyer...
Privet:)
Kari, but in case 2, the AD should OPEN the plastic at the time of purchase, no? When I bought my 5131g I have immidetly asked to open the plastic envelope and put it on my hand.
The same has happened to me every time.
Furthermore, the AD has thrown the box to garbage but who would want it anyhow. I am sure that all these double sealed rare watches are coming either from the AD or bought by Mala Fide buyers. Best, Kari
5975! of course!!
5575 didn't t talk to me from the beginning and it does less every day. 5975 is a very nice watch, beautiful case and very special dial. I must consider that I would much more prefer this watch if it would have been executed with their hand-winding moveme...
The J version looks great!
I do not have any options: G is the only metal available. If there would have been all the options available, I would have chosen P with black dial. But we do not live, unfortunately, in a perfect world. Anyhow, I am quite happy with my decision. Perhaps ...
5575 every day...
and twice on Sundays! Much prefer the world time and love that dial over the 5975 chrono.
Hmmm...
I have World Time s 5110P being my favourite. I guess I need to see the watches in metal. Thanks and best, Kari
5575....
would be my choice.I agree that 5975G is a bit cold..... What do u mean by my final watch? R u going to stop watch collecting !! Hope to see the picture of your new watch in the near future Best, Kari
Final watch
is a dream. To me it means that I can't see "climbing higher" and I have reached my goals. However, I think that after getting my Grail, I will keep trimming my "collection". But there must be a limit when the number of watches are concerned and also the ...
Pass ;-)
You've got the 5110 P, which is the essence of the modern PP worldtime (as far as i'm concerned). For the 5975, it is a modern watch with a dated design. If you like vintage, buy a true vintage. My 2 cts.
I like my 5110P
even it is a bit small. But 5575 has a fantastic case and the moon circulating is very interesting. Naturally I can't really say what I think I was very exited about 5131G in the beginning but when wearing it is a bit difficult. The watch is quite colourf...
I like mine too ;-)
Even if it is not the one I wear most often... When the 5575 was launched, I was very interested because I found the association of these 2 complications quite original (not very logical but who cares ? Anyway, I like moon phase not for its utility but fo...