Bill
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If you like the watch knock 2k off the price and leave it as is. If you ever sell you can do the same at whatever price level you set to accomodate for the hands..
Jan 27, 2024,00:26 AM
Matching hands are not always easy to find and tritium hands degrade and will not always match the rate of the dial.
If this was a gilt era watch 60's it is even harder to find hands even discounting 3-5k in hopes of finding gilt hands is a risk.
On the 5513 you are looking the risk as I noted above is within range.
With vintage Rolex the condition of the dial and hands are the key value when assessing your purchase at every level.
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Patina question
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-18:20
Hoping to tap into the collective watch wisdom here. I’m considering the late 1980s 5513 pictured here. As you can see, there’s more patina on the markers than the hands. I’m told that the lume on the hands is in fact tritium. A couple of questions. First...
Exactly!
By: Mary Anny : January 26th, 2024-18:35
The difference in colour is between the tritium (markers) and the lumknova (hands) lume. I'll send you a photo later...
Thanks but
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-18:37
To be clear, I have it on good authority that the hands are tritium and NOT luminova. So if the hands were replaced, it was with other tritium hands.
It can be,
By: Mary Anny : January 26th, 2024-19:48
But then, they were not replaced. Below you can see what used to happen to the hands lume from the eighties. I would follow Bill's advice, let's check the luminosity! ...
Here’s why I’m asking.
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-20:19
The seller — who I trust completely — has confirmed the hands are tritium (he used the black light test). So that’s not the question. Instead, my questions are these. - First, given that everything is tritium, how likely is it that these are replacement h...
Well, if you use a blacklight and the colour doesn't match...
By: BigFatPauli : January 26th, 2024-20:26
The hands are replacements. A backlight is to determine if they are matching. As mentioned, hands with different ages will glow with different luminosity or colour so the advice is correct. Hands that are original can, sometimes, be a different colour tha...
Got it, thanks.
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-20:32
It’s one of the things that matters to me. But so is overall case condition, and the condition here is quite excellent. I’m trying to get a sense of whether, despite the patina issue, this watch should be considered a superlative example of a 5513 of its ...
I’ve been doing this long enough
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-20:44
to know that I must always build into my purchase decisions the risk I will decide to sell someday, no matter how much I love a watch today.
I call BS
By: @wewannaporsche : January 26th, 2024-22:48
On those hands being tritium. They sure look like Luminova to me. Also, wasn’t tritium use stopped in the 90’s? If they replaced with new hands from that era, the tritium would still not be as white as that after 20 yrs, no?
I’m no expert but
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 26th, 2024-23:24
Tritium seems to lume at very different rates depending in part on how much the watch is exposed to light, which explains how you can still find lume from the early 90s that doesn’t have much patina.
This is true.
By: BigFatPauli : January 27th, 2024-02:00
Also, the hands *may* have also been repainted with tritium. There are people who do this even today.
To me, it would suggest
By: @wewannaporsche : January 26th, 2024-18:33
That the hands were replaced during a service. This happened to me as well after I sent in my 861 Omega Speedmaster Pro in for service. They didn’t change the dial which had tritium but the hands were updated to Luminova. I’ll admit it does bother me a bi...
Thanks Bill.
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 27th, 2024-02:23
I’m new to the vintage sub game so I appreciate your insights. The appeal of this 5513 is that it’s (1) a clean two-liner and (2) unpolished. In those two respects it has an advantage over my existing vintage sub, the 16800 pictured here. But this thread ...
Thanks Bill.
By: Chromatic Fugue : January 28th, 2024-02:42
Much appreciated as always. Btw, I ended up keeping the 16800 but not the triple six. Cool watch but didn’t sit right on my wrist.
I think your suspicion is correct.
By: gary_g : January 27th, 2024-10:44
The hands were likely changed or lume reapplied during service. Is there a record of service? For some this may be a point of contention. For others it isn’t. Collectibility depends on the price. If you’re paying for all original details then I would stay...