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Thank you, Rolro 5517.
Very interesting document.
I heard the same about Prieur and some other ADs all over France.
It is clear that Rolex didn't deliver these 5513 directly to the M.N, but that the M.N bought them to ADs.
The thing is that PRIEUR won't help us to have more informations;, sadly.
In the case of mine, it was sent to Geneva for a service, BUT the most important is its provenance.
The seller was one of these few guys who was in relation with some militaries from the French Marine.
And it was part of a lot....
Best,
Nicolas
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A quick and fresh picture of the 5513 Submariner Marine Nationale Meters First.
From II / 1967. Taken with the Leica D Lux 4 just back from the service. Still waiting for the D Lux 6 and life will be good! Best, Nicolas...
Ooh.....a M.N. A true MilSpec sub. Looks superb!!...
Very very clean looking. Love the nice simple and clean dial!! Upgrading to a D-Lux 6? I thought you had tried one out, with not the best results? Or does it just need some time to adjust to it? Lovely Sub. A true classic. Cheers Tony
I kept the D Lux 4, but lastly, I took a bit more than 7000 pictures with the " 6 ".
With some very good results. But I had to send the 6 back, with a small issue. All my fault. As for the 5513 M.N, this is a beast, for sure. Best, Tony. Nicolas
Wonderful watch!
During the last four weeks I got a 5513 from 1971 and another from 1989. Now hunting for a nice gilt plus a 5512. It's difficult because I want to get the watch with box and papers. Best, Kari
Very nice picture.....not bad watch either:)
Wow! I have D Lux 6.9 and I can tell you that life is sublime! Cheers Francois
This is a true beast my friend!! Did I ever told you that I love Subs?? :)))
Have you got any pictures of its case back & inscriptions? Enjoy that dear Nicolas!! HAGWE!! Abrazos afectuosos, Abel.
Wow!! Thank you my friend!! Just viewing the picture makes my heart...
... pound so fast!! Can´t imagine what could happen with it on my hands!! Terrific piece my dear Nicolas!! Thank you so much for giving the pleasure of viewing its back!! Un abrazo!! Afectuosamente, Abel.
So do we know now who engraved these casebacks ?
it definitely does not look like a 1960's Rolex factory engraving and I have heard different stories about these casebacks. Do you have more informations ?
Ciao Nic
Do you have any paper from MN? I don't know much about this watch for MN... I knew about Tudors, and some of them are STUNNERS! Cheers EP
No, I never saw one coming with papers, as I never saw a 7924 coming
With military papers, either.... Best, my friend. Nicolas
Yes, but the 7924 is a 1950's watch...
...so you don't expect much paperwork in the first place. Besides, the MN ones are never sold as military watches in terms of price premium.
True, very true. But when the first Tudor MN came with decom papers?
1974? Best, Nicolas
Military provenance...
is always interesting. While not my favourite area to collect-there is definately something fascinating to think a British Navy, US or Peruvian airforce pilot or French Marine used a watch. Congratulations on your new catch! Happy for you Nicolas. Best Ed...
Not a new catch... By far, as I own it for 5 years, now.
But thanks for your kind words. For your information, it is said that there are something like 70 or 100 of these.... Best, Nicolas
NOT TRUE, they can have papers because I have 5513 MN with papers!
The watch comes with attribution papers from "ministere des armée". We can clearly read the brand of the watch (Rolex), its serial number,and MN issue year. The watch comes also with rolex geneva service papers. Almost like Bexley!
Hi, Rolro, I too have a service paper from Rolex Geneva, but I would like to see...
The papers from the Ministere de la Defense.... Very curious to see it! That would be a very interesting first, at least for me. Best, and welcome here, by the way. Nicolas
Ok
Difficult with this website... Could you send a post on VRF and I will post pics Moreover, we speak about 4 series of 25 watches But I can only find MN68, 70 and 73 on the net No Rolex MN75...... Only Tudor We should ask collectors... Regards
Same here. Never saw, even in pictures, a 5513 MN from 1975.
Yuo can send me pictures by mail, I will post them. All the best, Nicolas PS: I sent you a PM some weeks ago, did you receive it?
PM???
what is PM? We need to ask collectors Maybe only 75 pieces... I have papers from army with case number and mN... Exceptional This confirm that Rolex MN exist as true military watches Last point, were they bought directly from Rolex or from AD...?
P M Private Message. Just after your first post.
My guess is that the MN bought these 5513 from an AD. Can you please send me your email by private message, I would love to see these papers. Best, Nicolas
Skepticism is not relevant
Hello Until 68 Tudor After 73 Tudor Both directly from Rolex Why would it be different for 68-73 Rolex Era??? Before we had no proof but I have an attribution letter. 5513 MN are true military watches That is why it is important to convince the skeptics D...
Add the MN 70 Nr 18.
Here it is, side by side with mine. In the case of the MN Rolex 5513, the provenance is very important... Best, Nicolas ...
SN
Yes how differs the SN??? They sould be in the same SN range, because they belong to the same batch We need Graham SN And number 17 SN (which has a lug engraved?????) Will get mine asap to compare Also they never come with box and original warranty papers...
Both of the 2 I posted came from II / 1967.
I checked that point. And both in the 1, 7xx xxx range. Yours? Best, Nicolas
Thanks again. Are you sure about your serial number?
You wrote 27x xxx, isn't rather 1, 7xx xxx? Meters first were on 1967 dials, AFAIK... Later it should be feet first. But I can be wrong. Best, Nicolas
Can you post pictures of these documents please ?
also, what does the Rolex Geneva service document state ? It would be very interesting to see them, even if the serial number of the watch is hidden of course. Do I also understand that you have a Bexley letter ? Thanks
I have the service document from Rolex Geneva, it doesn't say anything specific.
It just says that the Watch was serviced, and of course, the price of the service + what was made on the Watch. Best, Nicolas
What a beautiful and interesting watch! I can´t stop thinkin...
... that every time I view its photographs! I forgot to ask you to show it to me during our last meeting! What a nice excuse to go to Paris again!! Un abrazo mi amigo! Abel (El Dexter pampeano!)
My SN
hello Mine is 2 29x xxx 68 I think... MN 70 number higher than yours Attributed in 1970 on official document from French army It looks like these watches were not delivered at the same time Was it the same with Tudor? We also need more SN even from MN68 b...
I don't see it as an issue.
If the French Marine bought some 5513 to an AD, which seems to be the case, some 2 or three years after the AD took delivery of the watches, which is something not uncommon, the AD may have not receive a series of 5513 in the same range number. As for TUD...
The 275,XXX are within a very small batch
the serial numbers are very close to each other. It should be the same for the 5513 IMHO, but I have never seen any edidence of this
Is it possible to see this document ?
I would also be interested in any coment appearing on the Rolex Geneva service. Thanks
Story + attribution papers
Hello. Here are the document. Somebody needs to translate... Nothing special about MN on Rolex Geneva service document After research (2 different sources), it seems that French Navy ordered Rolex watches (and Tudor) from PRIEUR, an AD located in Brest an...
Thank you, Rolro 5517.
Very interesting document. I heard the same about Prieur and some other ADs all over France. It is clear that Rolex didn't deliver these 5513 directly to the M.N, but that the M.N bought them to ADs. The thing is that PRIEUR won't help us to have more inf...
Admiral
Moreover the attribution letter is signed by admiral of marine nationale... This man works after for secret service (boss of DGSE)
Who
I have the name and a copy of the military card of the man who was given this watch:))
He was
a military engineer. It looks like he contributed a lot to the navy during a mission or a development program Because attribution comes from admiralty, and Lacoste thanks him a lot! We can imagine everything...
New information from the son of the owner
His father was military engineer, working with commando divers of the french navy. He was diving with them during technical missions. During his military career, in 1971, Admiral Lacoste (futur boss of french secret service...) rewarded him with a Rolex S...
5513MN
we need more info about MN5513 Any info are welcome If you own one, let us know And If you have attribution papers+++ Another point: why do we only see MN68, MN70 and MN73 Any 75????