Replaced by the 5227. VC's Patrimony Contemporaine with date 85180 is an excellent timepiece. It is larger than the PP at 40mm and has date at 6 o clock which I think gives the dial a better balance. I also believe at retail it is less expensive than PP. At per-owned I have no idea. Personally I prefer the VC. There is also the VC Patrimony Traditionelle reference 87171 with date at 3 and seconds subsoil at 9. Same movemement as 85180. You can't go wrong with either.